Odd Situation ...

[BillyMac]

Zoochy and I have been emailing each other in regard to an odd situation.

And, of course, being from Missouri, Zoochy wants me to "show him".

A‐1’s throw‐in is caught by airborne A‐2 who is jumping from Team A’s backcourt to Team A’s frontcourt. A‐2 lands on their right foot in the frontcourt, then places their left foot on the court in the backcourt. The official rules a backcourt violation. Is the official correct?

A2 is not dribbling so the three point rule (two feet and the ball) doesn't come into play here.

The four elements for having a backcourt violation are: there must be team control (and initial player control when coming from a throwin); the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball before it goes into the backcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

9-9 Backcourt
ART. 1 . A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.
ART. 2 . While in player and team control in its backcourt, a player shall not cause the ball to go from backcourt to frontcourt and return to backcourt, without the ball touching a player in the frontcourt, such that he/she or a teammate is the first to touch it in the backcourt.
ART. 3 . During a jump ball, throw-in or while on defense, a player may legally jump from his/her frontcourt, secure control of the ball with both feet off the floor and return to the floor with one or both feet in the backcourt. The player may make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in the frontcourt or backcourt.

Remember, unlike most situations we discuss regarding a throwin and possible backcourt violations, A‐2 is jumping from Team A’s backcourt to Team A’s frontcourt (not frontcourt to backcourt)

When airborne A2 catches the ball he gains player control and thus team control, and since his last location (you are where you are until you get where you're going) before becoming airborne was in the backcourt he has backcourt status.

When A‐2, holding the ball, lands on their right foot in the frontcourt, both A2 and the ball (touching A2) gain frontcourt status.

Then A‐2, holding the ball, lands on their left foot on in the backcourt.

The exception does not say legally jump from their backcourt (only from their frontcourt).

Is this a backcourt violation?

[bob jenkins]

Case 9.9.1B, part D

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Case 9.9.1B, part D

9.9.1 SITUATION B: During a jump ball, A1 taps the ball. A2 takes off from Team A's frontcourt and catches the ball while in the air. A2 lands with: (d) one foot in the frontcourt and then steps with the other foot into the
backcourt. RULING: Legal in (d). (4-12-6, 9-9-3)

Zoochy's situation has the player jumping from backcourt to frontcourt (not frontcourt to backcourt).

The exception does not say legally jump from their backcourt (only from their frontcourt).

Do we go with purpose and intent here?

[Raymond]

The purpose and intent of the rule is to allow normal landings in which the feet do not always simultaneously touch the floor.

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[bob jenkins]

I see the issue. I wonder if the word "Frontcourt" was added at some point. I have always applied it to any airborne player (in the appropriate situations).

This interp implies that if the ball wasn't deflected, the play would be legal:

2017 Interps, SITUATION 6: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team’s frontcourt (Team B’s backcourt). A1’s throw-in is deflected by B1 who is applying direct pressure on A1. B2 jumps from his/her backcourt
court and catches the ball in the air. B2 lands with the first foot in the frontcourt and second foot in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team B. The throw-in ends with the deflection (legal touch) by B1. B2 gains possession/control and first lands in Team B’s frontcourt and then steps in Team B’s backcourt. The provision for making a normal landing only applies to the exceptions of a throw-in and a defensive player, and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball. (9-9-1, 9-9-3)

And, this play does not mention the original status of A2

2000-2001 Interps, SITUATION 2: During a throw-in by Al, in Team A’s frontcourt, A2 jumps in the air and catches the ball. A2 then lands with the left foot in A’s frontcourt and then puts the right foot down in the backcourt. RULING: Legal. The exception in Rule 9-9 allows the player to make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in frontcourt or backcourt. (9-9 Exp 1)

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I see the issue. I wonder if the word "Frontcourt" was added at some point. I have always applied it to any airborne player (in the appropriate situations).

This interp implies that if the ball wasn't deflected, the play would be legal:

2017 Interps, SITUATION 6: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team’s frontcourt (Team B’s backcourt). A1’s throw-in is deflected by B1 who is applying direct pressure on A1. B2 jumps from his/her backcourt
court and catches the ball in the air. B2 lands with the first foot in the frontcourt and second foot in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team B. The throw-in ends with the deflection (legal touch) by B1. B2 gains possession/control and first lands in Team B’s frontcourt and then steps in Team B’s backcourt. The provision for making a normal landing only applies to the exceptions of a throw-in and a defensive player, and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball. (9-9-1, 9-9-3)

And, this play does not mention the original status of A2

2000-2001 Interps, SITUATION 2: During a throw-in by Al, in Team A’s frontcourt, A2 jumps in the air and catches the ball. A2 then lands with the left foot in A’s frontcourt and then puts the right foot down in the backcourt. RULING: Legal. The exception in Rule 9-9 allows the player to make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in frontcourt or backcourt. (9-9 Exp 1)

-I posted this question on the site on November 14, 2006. Throw-in for Team A near the division line in their front court (Team B’s backcourt). A1’s throw-in is deflected by B1 who is applying direct pressure on A1. B2 jumps from their backcourt court, catches the ball in the air and lands first foot in the frontcourt, second foot in the backcourt. This, and 3 others, were interps for 2007-2008. I guess they were re-posted as interps for 2017.
To answer a few of your questions/statements. The original status of B-2 is mentioned. It is Backcourt.
-Frontcourt was added in 2004. It is in exception 3. They reworded the exceptions and added a 3rd. It's been that was for 20 years now.
-Also I do not know why in the ruling they did not list 'Jump ball' as an exception.
-In the 2000-2001 interp is states in Team A’s frontcourt, A2 jumps. To me it applies A-2 jumped from the Frontcourt.
-A‐1’s throw‐in is caught by airborne A‐2 who is jumping from Team A’s backcourt to Team A’s frontcourt. A‐2 lands on their right foot in the frontcourt, then places their left foot on the court in the backcourt. The official rules a backcourt violation. Is the official correct? I DO NOT see anything that allows this play, to be legal if a player leaves the court from their backcourt on a Jump ball or Throw-in, catch the ball in the air, and makes a normal landing, Frontcourt then backcourt.

My head is spinning

[BillyMac]

2007-08 Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 6: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team's frontcourt. A1's throw-in is deflected by B1, who is applying direct pressure on A1. A2 jumps from the team's frontcourt, catches the ball in the air and lands in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. The throw-in ends when it is legally touched by B1. When A2 gains possession/control in the air, he/she has frontcourt status. A backcourt violation has occurred when A2 lands in the backcourt. (9-9-1; 9-9-3)

SITUATION 7: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team's backcourt (Team B's frontcourt). A1's throw-in is deflected by B1, who is applying direct pressure on A1. B2 jumps from his/her frontcourt, catches the ball in the air and lands in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team B. The throw-in ends with B1's deflection (legal touch). When B2 gains possession/ control in the air, he/she has frontcourt status. A backcourt violation has occurred when B2 lands in backcourt. (9-9-1; 9-9-3)

SITUATION 8: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team's backcourt (Team B's frontcourt). A1's throw-in is intercepted by B1. B1 jumps from his/her frontcourt, catches the ball in the air and lands first foot in the frontcourt and second foot in the backcourt. RULING: No violation, legal play. It doesn't matter if one foot lands before the other provided it is a "normal landing." Since there was no deflection, the throw-in had not ended. (9-9-1; 9-9-3)

SITUATION 9: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team's frontcourt (Team B's backcourt). A1's throw-in is deflected by B1, who is applying direct pressure on A1. B2 jumps from his/her backcourt and catches the ball in the air. B2 lands with the first foot in the frontcourt and second foot in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team B. The throw-in ends with the deflection (legal touch) by B1. B2 gains possession/control and first lands in Team B's frontcourt and then steps in Team B's backcourt. The provision for making a normal landing only applies to the exceptions of a throw-in and a defensive player, and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball. (9-9-1; 9-9-3)

SITUATION 10: A1, in the team's frontcourt, passes to A2, also in the team's frontcourt. B1 deflects the ball toward Team A's backcourt. The ball bounces only in Team A's frontcourt before crossing the division line. While the ball is still in the air over Team A's backcourt, but never having touched in Team A's backcourt, A2 gains possession of the ball while standing in Team A's backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. Team A was still in team control and caused the ball to have backcourt status. Had A2 permitted the ball to bounce in the backcourt after having been deflected by B1, there would have been no backcourt violation. (4-4-1; 4-4-3; 9-9-1)

2017-18 Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 3: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team’s frontcourt. A1’s throw-in is deflected by B1 who is applying direct pressure on A1. A2 jumps from the team’s frontcourt, catches the ball
in the air and lands in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. The throw-in ends when it is legally touched by B1. When A2 gains possession/control in the air, he/she has frontcourt status. A backcourt violation has occurred when A2 lands in the backcourt. (9-9-1, 9-9-3)

SITUATION 4: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team’s backcourt (Team B’s frontcourt). A1’s throw-in is deflected by B1 who is applying direct pressure on A1. B2 jumps from his/her frontcourt, catches the ball in the air and lands in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team B. The throw-in ends with B1’s deflection (legal touch). When B2 gains possession/control in the air, he/she has frontcourt status. A backcourt violation has occurred when B2 lands in backcourt. (9-9-1, 9-9-3)

SITUATION 5: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team’s backcourt (Team B’s frontcourt). A1’s throw-in is intercepted by B1. B1 jumps from his/her frontcourt, catches the ball in the air and lands with the first foot in the frontcourt and second foot in the backcourt. RULING: No violation, legal play. It doesn’t matter if one foot lands before the other provided it is a “normal landing.” Since there was no deflection, the throw-in had not ended. (9-9-1, 9-9-3)

SITUATION 6: Team A is making a throw-in near the division line in the team’s frontcourt (Team B’s backcourt). A1’s throw-in is deflected by B1 who is applying direct pressure on A1. B2 jumps from his/her backcourt and catches the ball in the air. B2 lands with the first foot in the frontcourt and second foot in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team B. The throw-in ends with the deflection (legal touch) by B1. B2 gains possession/control and first lands in Team B’s frontcourt and then steps in Team B’s backcourt. The provision for making a normal landing only applies to the exceptions of a throw-in and a defensive player, and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball. (9-9-1, 9-9-3)

SITUATION 7: A1, in the team’s frontcourt, passes towards A2, also in the team’s frontcourt. B1 deflects the ball toward Team A’s backcourt. The ball bounces only in Team A’s frontcourt before crossing the division line. While the ball is still in the air over Team A’s backcourt, but never having touched in Team A’s backcourt, A2 gains possession of the ball while standing in Team A’s backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. Team A was still in team control and caused the ball to have backcourt status. Had A2 permitted the ball to bounce in the backcourt after having been deflected by B1, there would have been no backcourt violation. (4-4-1, 4-4-3, 9-9-1)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

In the 2000-2001 interp is states in Team A’s frontcourt, A2 jumps. To me it implies A-2 jumped from the Frontcourt.

"Ah, you assumed. My dear, you should never assume, because when you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME." (Felix Unger)

2000-2001 Interpretations

Supplement #1 (11/9/00)

SITUATION 2: During a throw-in by A1, in Team A’s frontcourt, A2 jumps in the air and catches the ball. A2 then lands with the left foot in A’s frontcourt and then puts the right foot down in the backcourt. RULING: Legal. The exception in Rule 9-9 allows the player to make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in frontcourt or backcourt. (9-9 Exp 1)

https://youtu.be/svkgOsr7pUc?feature=shared

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The purpose and intent of the rule is to allow normal landings in which the feet do not always simultaneously touch the floor.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

"Ah, you assumed. My dear, you should never assume, because when you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME." (Felix Unger)

2000-2001 Interpretations

Supplement #1 (11/9/00)

SITUATION 2: During a throw-in by A1, in Team A’s frontcourt, A2 jumps in the air and catches the ball. A2 then lands with the left foot in A’s frontcourt and then puts the right foot down in the backcourt. RULING: Legal. The exception in Rule 9-9 allows the player to make a normal landing and it makes no difference whether the first foot down is in frontcourt or backcourt. (9-9 Exp 1)

https://youtu.be/svkgOsr7pUc?feature=shared

Keeping it simple.

[Zoochy]

Things have changed since 2000-2001
As I stated earlier, in 2004, They rewrote Rule 9-9 to include a 3rd article. It says for an exception to a Backcourt violation, a players has to legally jump from the players Frontcourt from a Jumpball, Throw-in or while the player is on defense and have a normal landing.
So what if during play a defense player (B-1) jumps from their Backcourt, while in the air B-1 intercept and controls the ball. B-1 lands 1st foot in the Frontcourt followed by the 2nd foot in the backcourt. Violation? Or Play on?

[Raymond]

The NFHS does a poor job in writing rules. I'm going to err on the side of purpose and intent and not a technicality gotcha.

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[bob jenkins]

NCAAW has the same wording for the jump ball or during a throw-in. The case book doesn't help clarify:

Art. 9. A defensive player shall be permitted to secure control of the ball
while both feet are off the playing court and land with one or both feet in the
backcourt. It makes no difference if the first foot down was in the frontcourt
or backcourt.

Art. 10. After a jump ball or during a throw-in, the player in their frontcourt,
who makes the initial touch on the ball while both feet are off the playing court,
may be the first to secure control of the ball and land with one or both feet in
the backcourt. It makes no difference if the first foot down was in the frontcourt
or backcourt.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Keeping it simple.

Originally Posted by Raymond

The purpose and intent of the rule is to allow normal landings in which the feet do not always simultaneously touch the floor.

Originally Posted by Raymond

The NFHS does a poor job in writing rules. I'm going to err on the side of purpose and intent and not a technicality gotcha.

Agree 100%.

Of course, for the player who receives a pass, or stops a dribble, while straddling the division line, with both feet on a different half of the court, while holding the ball and pivoting, that's a whole 'nother story.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Of course, for the player who receives a pass, or stops a dribble, while straddling the division line, with both feet on a different half of the court, while holding the ball and pivoting, that's a whole 'nother story.