Signals ...

[BillyMac]

IAABO Zoom presentation last night by an NCAA-W Final Four official.

He played a video of a very rare call in a women's, or girl's, game.

Goaltending.

A Paige Bueckers (UCONN) layup attempt was goaltended by a South Carolina player after the ball had bounced off the backboard (automatic goaltending in college, not automatic goaltending in high school, which depends on ball going up, or down, when touched).

Surprised by never seeing it before in his thirty year NCAA-W career, his first reaction was, "That's odd. I think that that is probably illegal," and sounded his whistle.

In last night's Zoom presentation he admitted and joked that he didn't know the signal for goaltending, or basket interference, both extremely rare in a women's, or girl's, game.

He jokingly suggested a "swirly" over the head signal.

As far as I know, in my NFHS (with IAABO signals) high school games, the correct signal for defensive basket interference, and defensive goaltending, is the "count the basket" signal; and the correct signal for offensive basket interference, and offensive goaltending, is the "do not count the basket (wipe off)" signal.

Other than stop the clock (open hand), count basket or cancel basket, direction, and spot (designated, or run the endline), are there any additional "official" signals in the goaltending, or basket interference, sequence in NFHS, NCAA-M, NCAA-W, NBA, WNBA, or FIBA?

The "swirly" over the head is not an "official" goaltending, or basket interference, signal?

Right?

Isn't that only the "official" signal for resetting the shot clock?

[JRutledge]

There is no extra signal for BI or GT. Count the basket or wave off the basket after stopping the clock. HS or college where you see way more plays like this. IJS.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

layup attempt was goaltended by a South Carolina player after the ball had bounced off the backboard (automatic goaltending in college, ....).

Not picking on Billy, because he's not an NCAA official. But to clarify, contacting the ball after it has touched the backboard is NOT automatically GT.

For Men, Rule 9.15.3c

When the ball contacts the backboard and any part of the ball is above
the rim during a field goal attempt, it is considered to be on its downward
flight. In such a case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player
as long as it has a possibility of entering the basket.

For Women, Rule 9.15.5

Art. 5. When the entire ball is above the level of the ring during a field-goal
try and contacts the backboard, it is considered to be on its downward flight. In
such a case, it is goaltending when a player touches the ball.


It's usually going to be GT in the Men's game, but it still has to meet other criteria.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Not picking on Billy, because he's not an NCAA official. But to clarify, contacting the ball after it has touched the backboard is NOT automatically GT.

For Men, Rule 9.15.3c

When the ball contacts the backboard and any part of the ball is above
the rim during a field goal attempt, it is considered to be on its downward
flight. In such a case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player
as long as it has a possibility of entering the basket.

For Women, Rule 9.15.5

Art. 5. When the entire ball is above the level of the ring during a field-goal
try and contacts the backboard, it is considered to be on its downward flight. In
such a case, it is goaltending when a player touches the ball.


It's usually going to be GT in the Men's game, but it still has to meet other criteria.

The ball in a men's game would have to be somewhere away from the basket to not be called. Usually, this is a quick 1-2 kind of action.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The ball in a men's game would have to be somewhere away from the basket to not be called. Usually, this is a quick 1-2 kind of action.

Peace

Or the ball contacts the backboard below the height of the rim.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Or the ball contacts the backboard below the height of the rim.

I've been considering that since Scrapper1's earlier post.

Yes, it can happen, rarely on most backboards, but there is barely enough room for it to occur on some layups.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Or the ball contacts the backboard below the height of the rim.

The ball has to be completely below the rim. If any part is above the GT rule applies. And that is almost impossible on a regulation backboard.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The ball has to be completely below the rim. If any part is above the GT rule applies. And that is almost impossible on a regulation backboard.

Agree for college men: "any part of the ball is above the rim".

Different wording for college women: "entire ball is above the level of the ring".

So could it (no goaltending because the ball contacts the backboard below the height of the rim) be possible in a college women's game?