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Blarge
A1 drives to the Basket. A1 makes contact with B1. A1 then releases the ball and the ball goes in the basket.
Double whistle. Referee 1 signals Player Control. Referee 2 signals Block Would a Blarge ruling be different if A1 goes airborne, releases the Try and crashes into B1 before A1 returns to the floor? Again, Double whistle. Referee 1 signals Player Control. Referee 2 signals Block |
Yes, it makes a difference whether or not to try was released prior to the illegal contact called against A1.
If A1 still has possession, point of interruption would be team A's possession. If the try had been released, and is successful, point of interruption is team B's throw in. If the try has been released and the shot is missed, AP arrow. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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So, the ball does not become dead on A1'S foul. If the try has been released, count the goal. No FTs and B gets the ball for a throw-in. If the try is unsuccessful, use the arrow. I think the ruling is the same if A1 has started the try but has not released the ball. If A1 has not started the try, give the ball back to A. See 4.19.8C |
Ancient Times ...
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I know my 2nd play is Case Book 4.19.8C My real question is Play 1 So are you indicating that Continuous Motion (Rule 4-11-1 & 2 and Fundamental #17) can be implemented into the 1st Double Foul play? How can you have Continuous Motion on an Offensive Foul? |
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The ball doesn't become dead when the defense fouls (the rule does NOT say "single defensive foul" or similar) and a try has been started. And, since it's not a PC foul, ... |
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4-11-3 is the closest thing that addresses it. If a teammate of A1 was part of the double foul, continuous motion would not apply. Nowhere have I read there's an exception if A1 themself is part of the double foul. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
Dead Or Alive ...
I'm having trouble following this thread.
4.19.8 SITUATION C: ... after the release ... The double foul does not cause the ball to become dead on the try. This situation is after the release. Is it the same (not dead) before the release due to continuous motion? Is that what's being debated? |
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I never heard or read that stance before. The only exception for a try to count when a shooter has committed a foul is when the try is released and there is a double foul. The exception doesn't say "once the shooter has begun their continuous motion". Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk |
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6-7-7 (dead ball) comes into play -- does exception C apply? That's the issue. |
To Be, Or Not To Be (Prince Hamlet, Hamlet, William Shakespeare) ...
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Can it be solved? |
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The dreaded "blarge" has been in the NFHS and NCAA Men's Rules since the days of the NBC despite the fact that when it comes to B1 being "guilty" of a Block and A1 being "guilty" of a Charge, by Rule a "blarge" cannot occur. Either B1 has Obtained (NFHS and NCAA Women's)/Established (NCAA Men's) a LGP or B1 has NOT Obtained (NFHS and NCAA Women's)/Established (NCAA Men's) a LGP.
The NCAA Women's Rules has done it correctly every since the NCAA Women's Rules Committee supplanted the AIAW. The Official whose has the Ball at the start of the drive takes the Call. I know that I am going to catch "heck" from some people for what I am about to say but from the very start of my officiating career I pre-gamed "blarges" out of my boys'/girls' JrHS/HS, and men's jr. college/college JV games. Because as I have stated for almost 60 years the Rules state that "blarges" CANNOT happen. Enjoy the weekend everyone! MTD, Sr. |
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