NCAA - signals/mechanics

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

On administrating Throw-ins, they just do a shoulder height count.

Zoochy: What's wrong with a shoulder height count? That's the correct height in IAABO mechanics (signals). Not sure about NFHS.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Zoochy: What's wrong with a shoulder height count? That's the correct height in IAABO mechanics (signals). Not sure about NFHS.

Same for NFHS.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Zoochy: What's wrong with a shoulder height count? That's the correct height in IAABO mechanics (signals). Not sure about NFHS.

By "just" I assume the original poster means they are NOT starting/chopping the clock.

As for not counting the backcourt, if there is no pressure I don't have a visible count. I keep one mentally in case something odd happens, but I don't feel the need to swing my arm 4-5 times when there is a near 100% certainty the ball is crossing well before a violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

By "just" I assume the original poster means they are NOT starting/chopping the clock.

Thanks MechanicGuy. I reread the post and now it makes more sense. Sorry Zoochy.

While I realize that timekeepers, in most circumstances, are probably watching the ball and not the administering official's "chop" on almost all throwins, for almost all officials it's an "automatic" signal, embedded deeply in our DNA over many years of experience. Don't understand why an official would avoid doing it?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

By "just" I assume the original poster means they are NOT starting/chopping the clock.

As for not counting the backcourt, if there is no pressure I don't have a visible count. I keep one mentally in case something odd happens, but I don't feel the need to swing my arm 4-5 times when there is a near 100% certainty the ball is crossing well before a violation.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks MechanicGuy. I reread the post and now it makes more sense. Sorry Zoochy.

While I realize that timekeepers, in most circumstances, are probably watching the ball and not the administering official's "chop" on almost all throwins, for almost all officials it's an "automatic" signal, embedded deeply in our DNA over many years of experience. Don't understand why an official would avoid doing it?

The "chop" is done with the same hand that does the count, but instead of a chopping motion, a fist is formed just above shoulder level while flexing the bicep.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Raymond

The "chop" is done with the same hand that does the count, but instead of a chopping motion, a fist is formed just above shoulder level while flexing the bicep.

This is because many college officials are using precision timing and are using the off-hand to start the clock. Not something we are regularly to be concerned with at the HS level - though the first time you do use this device, figuring out how to chop, count AND start the clock is a bit of an awkward adventure lol

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

This is because many college officials are using precision timing and are using the off-hand to start the clock. Not something we are regularly to be concerned with at the HS level - though the first time you do use this device, figuring out how to chop, count AND start the clock is a bit of an awkward adventure lol

The fist chop is being used even by officials who do put an open hand up.

My highest level college supervisor hated it, so I never used that mechanic

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[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Zoochy: What's wrong with a shoulder height count? That's the correct height in IAABO mechanics (signals). Not sure about NFHS.

The count is not the issue. It is the lack of the chop to start the clock. They just drop the arm

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

It is the lack of the chop to start the clock. They just drop the arm

If the elbow drops 90 degrees, bends, and then unbends to drop the forearm, that has to be considered some type of chop.

Even if they don't bend the elbow and somehow allow gravity to rotate the entire straight arm down 180 degrees from the shoulder, that has to be considered some type of chop.

Right?

How can one's hand go from fully up in the air to down near one's hip without something that looks like some type of a chop?

As the trail, after a final free throw, it the ball misses and is rebounded, I swiftly drop my arm down, bending it at my elbow, and then swiftly, and with emphasis, unbend my elbow, a "fast chop".

As the trail, after a final free throw, it the ball goes in I just slowly drop my arm straight down, bending it at my elbow, but then have to slowly, with no emphasis, unbend my elbow, which is kind of a "slow chop".

Is that what you're talking about, not the actual movement itself, but the speed and emphasis of the movement?

Note: Back in ancient times, on a made free throw, we had to drop our arm and make a "one point" signal. Nevermore.

[JamesBCrazy]

About ten to fifteen years ago, I was the timekeeper for a middle school game featuring a crew that was "too lazy" to chop. The R complained when I started the clock "early" on a late throw-in (I thought it was touched, he didn't.)

That's why you use signals.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JamesBCrazy

About ten to fifteen years ago, I was the timekeeper for a middle school game featuring a crew that was "too lazy" to chop. The R complained when I started the clock "early" on a late throw-in (I thought it was touched, he didn't.)

That's why you use signals.

Unless it's in the last ten seconds of a period, it's impossible to start the clock "early" during a JH game.