changing arrow

[maroonx]

During a throw in for Red. AP arrow pointed to
Red. Before throw end ended, White fouls Red. Foul is reported.

Start throwend again completed, Red in frontcourt. Held ball. Ref gives it to White. Red should of retained possession. Correct?

[SNIPERBBB]

Fouks by either team does not cause the arrow to change.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Red should of retained possession. Correct?

Incorrect.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Red should of retained possession.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Incorrect.

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda (Celine Dion, 2003)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by maroonx

During a throw in for Red. AP arrow pointed to
Red. Before throw end ended, White fouls Red. Foul is reported.

Start throwend again completed, Red in frontcourt. Held ball. Ref gives it to White. Red should of retained possession. Correct?

You never state that the original throw-in was an AP throw-in. Was it?

[Raymond]

What Nevada said is the very first thing that came to my mind.

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[maroonx]

my mistake. it was the start of 3rd period. Possession arrow was pointed to Red.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by maroonx

my mistake. it was the start of 3rd period. Possession arrow was pointed to Red.

So it was an alternating possession throwin.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So it was an alternating possession throwin.

Was the arrow pointing to red correct? Maybe that throw-in was wrong.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Was the arrow pointing to red correct? Maybe that throw-in was wrong.

Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is right?

Maybe we should "can" the alternating possession arrow and once again have dozens of jump balls in a game, as in ancient times, and as James Naismith intended?

Hopefully he's still on his tropical cruise and won't see this post.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is right?

We should "can" the alternating possession arrow and once again have dozens of jump balls in a game, as in ancient times, and as James Naismith intended.

Hopefully he's still on his tropical cruise and won't see this post.

I agree with Mark. Jump balls would not cause undue difficulties for the table. I remember having to often remind the table about changing the arrow, because they either forget to change the arrow, or have the arrow point to the bench of the team that has the arrow, rather than the direction that the team is attacking. By contrast, most jump balls happen at the center circle, except for those caused by held balls, simultaneous deflections out of bounds, or when the officials do not know who last touched the ball. The NBA has a list of 10 situations where there is a jump ball at the center circle. 2 of them do not apply to NFHS, but most of them would, should NFHS restore the jump ball.

Here is the NBA Rulebook. Rule 6 has a detailed list of all the jump ball situations, should anyone be interested.

With the way the game is now in NFHS, it makes sense for them to eliminate the reference in Rule 6 to a jump ball striking the backboard. A similar absurdity in current NFHS rules is the definition of the bonus as the second free throw awarded for a common foul either after the 7th foul in the half, inclusive, if the first free throw is successful, or, after the 10th foul in any case. The problem is that this definition implies that there is a first free throw for common fouls. This has not been true since the 1972-73. I would redefine the bonus to be "One or more free throw(s) awarded for a common foul that is not a player-control or team-control foul following the opposing team's 7th foul in each half as follows:
a) One free throw, with a second free throw if the first is successful, following the 7th, 8th, or 9th team foul of the half
b) Two free throws, following the 10th team foul of the half".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

Jump balls would not cause undue difficulties ... most jump balls happen at the center circle, except for those caused by held balls, simultaneous deflections out of bounds, or when the officials do not know who last touched the ball ... bonus as the second free throw implies that there is a first free throw for common fouls. This has not been true since the 1972-73 ...

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., why are you posting under ilyazhito's name?

The "give away" was the reference to the free throw change in 1972-73.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is the only Forum member old enough to know this ancient times minuscule fact.

And if it is truly ilyazhito posting, he should be careful of what he asks for.

Anybody that's ever officiated a girls middle school game with the ancient times jump ball rules prior to the alternating possession arrow would never advocate for the return to the ancient times jump ball rules.

Never, ever.