Live Ball Timeout, Or Not ???

[BillyMac]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1499586744013967362

https://news.yahoo.com/controversial...163351982.html

[crosscountry55]

I saw that this morning. Rich….what’s the word up there in Wisconsin?

I didn’t exactly see the coach obviously asking for timeout, and if it was the player making the request, it sure was clumsy.

Not sure if the crew got together. Would definitely have been a good time to. Player may have been shouting timeout to the lead 45 feet in front of her without realizing that the trail was 5 feet behind.

Was it a travel? Only if you consider a carry, and that wasn’t the signal given. Maybe an illegal dribble. But the trail is as already stopping the clock when that happened.

And those mechanics…..ugh. In a sectional semifinal, no less. But hey, at least the crew wasn’t replaced at halftime.


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[Raymond]

I don't understand the title of your thread, but anyway...

that is just really not good at all. Taking the time-out portion of the play out of the equation, where was the travel? The official doesn't look like he can see the ball from where he is positioned.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Was it a travel? Maybe an illegal dribble.

Definitely not a travel.

Trail got straight-lined by the ball in the way, and thought he saw a two hand touch, which didn't happen, so his call, though incorrect, should have been an illegal dribble.

All the officials should have been looking for timeout request in this win or go home end of game situation (actually all end of game situations, and any other times when coaches "normally" request timeouts (major shift in score, runs by other team, etc.)).

No need for a visual timeout request, it can be oral, or visual.

Grants and signals a player’s/head coach’s oral or visual request for a time-out ...

Player request made this easy. No need to decide if the correct coach, or the correct team is making the timeout request, or if the player is dribbling or holding.

Watched the full game video. White coach definitely deserved the technical foul. She threw her clipboard and followed it by throwing her marker, maybe a little too early, should have waited another second or so for the officials to possibly get together and talk it over. If the officials don't get together to discuss, then she can lose her mind if she so desires. Who can blame her?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Not sure if the crew got together. Would definitely have been a good time to.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Watched the full game video.

Officials never got together to discuss the timeout request, or the "travel" call.

Two officials had a one second meeting at Red's free throw line before Red's first free throw for the technical foul.

[Raymond]

Also don't like that during the 2nd Red free throw there is one White player and 3 Red players in the back court and the Trail is completely oblivious to it. He is staring at the free throw lane even thought there are no other offensive players there except the shooter.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

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And those mechanics…..ugh. In a sectional semifinal, no less. But hey, at least the crew wasn’t replaced at halftime.


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Yeah, the signal and posture definitely don't help with the overall impression one gets of that play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Player request made this easy.

If the White coach made the request, she made herself "small", nonchalantly kneeling in front of her bench.

Coaches need to be "big" in these situations, standing and yelling.

No rule that says she has to, but it would have helped here.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Yeah, the signal and posture definitely don't help with the overall impression one gets of that play.

Tell my trainees all the time to not bend over on a travel call. Why do they always think that the "bend over" is necessary?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Tell my trainees all the time to not bend over on a travel call. Why do they always think that the "bend over" is necessary?

I caught myself doing that on video this year. Fixed it overnight. Looked ten times worse on video than it felt in person. I might as well have been bowing to my sensei.

I think there’s a subconscious fear of one’s rolling arms being impeded by one’s torso, so leaning over makes it feel more natural. Have to get comfortable with extending your elbows out and standing tall.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why do they always think that the "bend over" is necessary?

... By watching this guy.

[BillyMac]

... Take me by my little hand, And go like this.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Looked ten times worse on video than it felt in person ... rolling arms ... leaning over ...

One of those 1960's dance crazes.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I don't understand the title of your thread, but anyway...

that is just really not good at all. Taking the time-out portion of the play out of the equation, where was the travel? The official doesn't look like he can see the ball from where he is positioned.

He did what a lot of officials do. He called a travel based on how it looked rather than what it was happening.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If the White coach made the request, she made herself "small", nonchalantly kneeling in front of her bench.

Coaches need to be "big" in these situations, standing and yelling.

No rule that says she has to, but it would have helped here.

I agree, they often help create the issue. If you are calling a timeout be visible and get off the floor.

And even the dribbler seemed like she was in between doing things as well, which did not help. But you cannot call something you do not see. You just cannot. He guessed and called what was "funny" looking and it was. But do better and get closer to the play. It is girls basketball, he could have gotten close or been at least beside her.

I hate it when things happen like this.

Peace

[BillyMac]

... all could have done better.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And even the dribbler seemed like she was in between doing things as well, which did not help ...

Agree.

... plant a pivot foot, hold the ball firmly, and request (orally and/or visually) a timeout.