Jersey Not Designed To Be Worn Inside The Shorts ...

[BillyMac]

Middle school game yesterday. As usual, a few players, on both teams, had to be reminded to tuck in their jerseys. Wasn't a major problem.

Before one player tucked in her jersey, I noticed that the jersey had "Lady Mustangs" on the very lower back of the jersey, and "Lady Mustangs" completely disappeared on all players with properly fitted tucked in jerseys.

I then realized that these jerseys were not designed to be tucked in. If the coach had known the rule (she probably didn't) she could have asked us (she didn't) to stop requiring her players to tuck in their jerseys.

My question, had she asked (she didn't), are all players required to either tuck, or untuck, their jerseys? Must all be the same?

3-3-5: A player not wearing the pants/skirt properly and above the hips and/or a player not tucking in a team jersey (front and back) designed to be worn inside the pants/skirt, must be directed to leave the game as in 3-3-4; a charged time-out must not alter this requirement.

[Nevadaref]

3-5-5 “. . . Equipment and apparel shall not be modified from the original manufactured state and shall be worn in the manner the manufacturer intended it to be worn.”


The above rule is best direction which you are going to get from the NFHS on this.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

3-5-5 “. . . Equipment and apparel shall not be modified from the original manufactured state and shall be worn in the manner the manufacturer intended it to be worn.”

Thanks Nevadaref. Nice citation. I forgot about the important word "apparel"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... these jerseys were not designed to be tucked in ... 3-3-5: A player not wearing the pants/skirt properly and above the hips and/or a player not tucking in a team jersey (front and back) designed to be worn inside the pants/skirt, must be directed to leave the game as in 3-3-4; a charged time-out must not alter this requirement.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

3-5-5 . . . Equipment and apparel shall not be modified from the original manufactured state and shall be worn in the manner the manufacturer intended it to be worn.

So I should tell them that they must wear the jerseys "in the manner the manufacturer intended it to be worn", all untucked?

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So I should tell them that they must wear the jerseys "in the manner the manufacturer intended it to be worn", all untucked?

I wouldn't, even if it's a high-school game. To me, that's an "either/or" jersey (tucked or untucked), despite what 3-3-5 says. Hardly worth my time.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

I wouldn't, even if it's a high-school game. To me, that's an "either/or" jersey (tucked or untucked), despite what 3-3-5 says.

I was just kidding but thanks for the reply that I agree (but no citation) with (all tucked, or all untucked (if manufacturer intended)).

Common sense. Purpose and intent. 2-3. Why basketball officials get the big bucks.

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was just kidding but thanks for the reply...

Is there a font color for a rhetorical question like there is one for sarcasm?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I then realized that these jerseys were not designed to be tucked in. If the coach had known the rule (she probably didn't) she could have asked us (she didn't) to stop requiring her players to tuck in their jerseys.
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Why do you think the presence of text below the waistline is meant to be worn outside? Is underwear with writing on it meant to be worn outside?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why do you think the presence of text below the waistline is meant to be worn outside? Is underwear with writing on it meant to be worn outside?

Not a company logo, but the mascot name of the team, "Lady Mustangs".

Pet peeve of mine, mustangs come in both genders.

Why the modifying word "Lady?

Boys teams are not called the "Gentlemen Mustangs", but just the "Mustangs".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Pet peeve of mine ...

My hometown high school sports teams are the "Blue Knights".

But the girls teams are called the "Lady Blue Knights".

No need for the modifier "Lady", knights come in both genders, for example, Joan of Arc.

Boys teams aren't called the "Gentleman Blue Knights".

[tnolan]

My speculation as to the reasoning behind this rule is this:
to prevent issues with loose shirt tails/strings
logo restrictions
NFHS uniformity (non-individualism)

Here's the issue. #35 is one size and belongs to the school (I'd say in most cases) And if fits A5 2021 differently than it fits A6 in 2022.
Additionally, jersey #12 fits A1 differently than jersey #35 first A5...so uniformity can be difficult.

Normally, I'd say if there are extra logos (size M) or whatever, then it's not meant to be worn untucked....but that doesn't mean that it won't come untucked every time the player puts their hands above their shoulders (ie...every single play)

It's normally the least of my worries, but I've seen officials tell players every dead ball to keep them tucked in. It's a waste of breath. Players are wearing them like that for a reason and once again the NFHS is going to have to adapt or change eventually.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tnolan

NFHS uniformity (non-individualism)

They're called "uniforms" for a reason.

Originally Posted by tnolan

but that doesn't mean that it won't come untucked every time the player puts their hands above their shoulders ... It's normally the least of my worries, but I've seen officials tell players every dead ball to keep them tucked in ...

Some kids, no matter what, can't keep jerseys tucked in, too tall, too big, wrong size, etc. Typically it's the kid who plays inside linebacker on the football team. We can generally ignore these "violations".

Others with properly fitted jerseys can occasionally be given friendly reminders to tuck them in, best time is before a free throw. They comply, we thank them, we play on.

Knuckleheads are another matter completely. We give them a friendly reminder to tuck them in, they seem to comply, until they think that we aren't paying attention and they intentionally pull out the jersey. These knuckleheads get a polite invitation to "sit a tick". I haven't had to do this for a few years, but when I did it, it always worked.