Held ball, followed by timeout

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Raymond

If someone is going to use a whistle or whatever (I don't) in their pocket, I would hope they switch it when it is supposed to be legally switched. During otherwise is just going to add to the confusion.

Every time I've noticed an official using this technique, they are almost always switching it shortly after they confirm the arrow at the table and point in that direction...before the AP throw-in completes.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Altor

Every time I've noticed an official using this technique, they are almost always switching it shortly after they confirm the arrow at the table and point in that direction ... before the AP throw-in completes.

That's me. Wrong by rule, but it (usually) works for me.

100% of the post-arthritis middle school games that I work don't have an arrow at the table.

I know that we can use a water bottle, or a pencil, or a folded paper, at the table, but then we would have to train the table crew, and about half of the table crews are middle school students.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I swap mine before (not the legally correct time, I've already got enough to do immediately after the throwin) the held ball alternating possession throwin (and at the end of the first half).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I know that we can use a water bottle, or a pencil, or a folded paper, at the table, but then we would have to train the table crew, and about half of the table crews are middle school students.

So notice whether they've changed the arrow / moved the water bottle after each AP throw in. If they haven't remind them the next time you run by the table. The arrow will be right *and* you'll better remember which way it's supposed to point.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So notice whether they've changed the arrow ... after each AP throw in. If they haven't remind them the next time you run by the table.

Have to often do this with trained paid adults at the table for some varsity games.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So notice whether they've changed the arrow / moved the water bottle after each AP throw in. If they haven't remind them the next time you run by the table. The arrow will be right *and* you'll better remember which way it's supposed to point.

Definitely better than having a bulge in your pocket and then all the single moms are wondering "is that your whistle or are you just happy to see me?"

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Definitely better than having a bulge in your pocket and then all the single moms are wondering "is that your whistle or are you just happy to see me?"

Nice post Raymond.

In ancient times, before the alternating possession arrow was invented, and before the pea-less Fox-40 whistle was invented, we used to carry an extra whistle (Acme Thunderer or Shield Trumpeter) in case the pea got stuck, or fell apart.

The cool guys that didn't use a lanyard (many in ancient times) had the extra whistle in case their whistle was spit out and stepped on.

Am I right Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?

[ilyazhito]

I don't use that technique. Instead, I remember who won the jump ball, and track possessions starting with the jump ball loser.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I remember who won the jump ball, and track possessions starting with the jump ball loser.

It's great that you have such a great memory. I don't. You must not work a lot of girls middle school games.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's great that you have such a great memory. I don't. You must not work a lot of girls middle school games.

Post of the week nominee.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Altor

Every time I've noticed an official using this technique, they are almost always switching it shortly after they confirm the arrow at the table and point in that direction...before the AP throw-in completes.

Officials should be in tune to the game they are working, not relying on something that requires them to do something and forget they did not change. I have seen many officials not switch and add more confusion as stated because they are worried about what whistle their pocket is in. You should know the circumstances the last time you called a held ball, just like you know the circumstances you called your last few fouls. Just an opinion.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Officials should be in tune to the game they are working, ... you should know the circumstances the last time you called a held ball ...

Agree.

Redundancy. Whistle, game awareness, arrow at the table, and arrow on the scoreboard (not legally used). With definite game awareness (memory) trumping all.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... something that requires them to do something and forget they did not change.

Officials just as easily can forget the last alternating possession situation as they can forget their whistle swap. Whistle just adds an extra layer of redundancy.

And once in a pocket, the whistle (and the arrow once changed) doesn't fade over time, or get distracted by other matters.

The arrow is as much a crutch as the whistle, the difference is that the arrow is a crutch by rule, the whistle is an optional crutch.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... definite game awareness (memory) trumping all.