Technical Foul Question

[JRutledge]

I have never given a T for that. Not to say I have not been close. Had a JUCO coach come close to be thrown out for partially doing that. But I was waiting for him to do something I could easily pin on him. He got the message and moved on while sulking. And he was getting his ass beat by 30, so it mattered little to me to find a reason to get rid of him. I have him later in the year and a lot of what I did was for the future, not just that game.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... I was waiting for him to do something I could easily pin on him ...

Many years ago. Girls varsity prep school game. With seconds to go in the first half, girl trips (she didn't get tripped, she tripped) and severely hurts her knee. Head coach and trainer come out to attend to her in front of her bench. During the several minutes it took to attend to her, the coach has a few irate words for us (more than just one outburst) to indicate his displeasure in my partner and I "causing his player to get hurt". We should have said, "Shut up and deal with your player's injury. You're not allowed out here on the floor to take pot shots at us" (or something more professional than that), but not wanting to detract from the serious injury situation in front of us, my partner and I both physically retreated away from the situation on the floor to the opposite table side of the court, and passed on a well deserved technical foul.

At halftime, in the privacy of the dressing room, we discussed it and decided that the severity of the injury, and our concern for the injured player, "numbed" us to the poor behavior of the coach, but that he "wouldn't get away with it", and that he would be immediately T-ed up for any unsporting comment, no matter how slight, in the second half (probably unprofessional to make him an automatic T-target, but he deserved it).

Decades later, and we're still waiting for that unsporting comment. We missed our chance and he got away with murder.

We always seem to regret the technical fouls we passed on. We never seem to regret the technical fouls we issued.

More than forty years and this one might be the one that I regret the most.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... he was getting his ass beat by 30, so it mattered little to me to find a reason to get rid of him ...

It probably mattered little to you because it mattered so little to him.

While certainly not the same in college, here in my little comer of Connecticut all unsporting technical fouls on high school coaches (and players) are reported to our assignment commissioner who reports such to athletic directors, so a technical foul in a blowout may still carry some consequences for the coach. Connecticut ejections are reported to our assignment commissioner who reports such to our state interscholastic sports governing body (CIAC), who reports such to both athletic directors and school principals, coming with a mandatory two game suspension.

Also, all Connecticut coaches are on renewable one year contacts, that sometimes quietly don't get renewed with such "personnel" decisions taking place in school board "behind closed doors" executive sessions.

[Indianaref]

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Has anybody ever given a technical foul for a coach staring you down ... He doesn't say a word ... staring me down.

Indianaref: Nice video citation.

Whack, get out. He didn’t say a word. I asked him three times to stop staring and trying to intimidate me. He did it again. He’s gone. (Ron Garretson, 2000)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have never given a T for that. Not to say I have not been close. Had a JUCO coach come close to be thrown out for partially doing that. But I was waiting for him to do something I could easily pin on him. He got the message and moved on while sulking. And he was getting his ass beat by 30, so it mattered little to me to find a reason to get rid of him. I have him later in the year and a lot of what I did was for the future, not just that game.

Peace

Jeff:

I agree with you. There are many times we would just love to whack a Coach on general principles but staring at you is just not one of those things that would be looked upon favorably by the powers that be.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Jeff:



I agree with you. There are many times we would just love to whack a Coach on general principles but staring at you is just not one of those things that would be looked upon favorably by the powers that be.



MTD, Sr.

Ran into my commissioner today. Asked him if the school had said anything about it, he said no. And he didn't say anything about it either when I reported it to him initially.

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[billyu2]

Coach had a been a pain the entire second half. Late in the game one of his players fouled out. Instead of sending the sub to the table, he had the sub stand next to him while he stared me down. I stood patiently looking back at him waiting for the player to report. Finally, seconds before the horn he told the sub, "go ahead" and the sub ran right out on the floor. I turned to the table and innocently asked, "Did he ever report in?" Of course the answer was "no." Whack. Technical on the coach for not replacing a player as required. Should have seen his jaw drop. Priceless!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Coach had a been a pain the entire second half. Late in the game one of his players fouled out. Instead of sending the sub to the table, he had the sub stand next to him while he stared me down. I stood patiently looking back at him waiting for the player to report.

Similar story. But the coach waited a little too long and and my partner, a grizzled "old school" veteran, whacked him the split second the second horn sounded with no substitute reporting. The coach picked the wrong grizzled "old school" veteran to play "chicken" with that night.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Coach had a been a pain the entire second half. Late in the game one of his players fouled out. Instead of sending the sub to the table, he had the sub stand next to him while he stared me down. I stood patiently looking back at him waiting for the player to report. Finally, seconds before the horn he told the sub, "go ahead" and the sub ran right out on the floor. I turned to the table and innocently asked, "Did he ever report in?" Of course the answer was "no." Whack. Technical on the coach for not replacing a player as required. Should have seen his jaw drop. Priceless!

For that matter, you could have tagged the player for running onto the court without reporting AND the coach for failing to provide a sub before the replacement interval expired....that would have really stung.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

For that matter, you could have tagged the player for running onto the court without reporting AND the coach for failing to provide a sub before the replacement interval expired....that would have really stung.

Ouch. In Kill Bill, remember Beatrix (Uma Thurman) getting shot in the chest with rock salt by Budd (Michael Madsen)? Now double that. Ouch.

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...dOutByBudd.jpg

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

For that matter, you could have tagged the player for running onto the court without reporting AND the coach for failing to provide a sub before the replacement interval expired....that would have really stung.

Now that would have been nasty, Cameron. I like it! I know I was a veteran official at the time but apparently hadn't yet reached the category of "old school grizzled veteran" mentioned in a previous post.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Jeff:

I agree with you. There are many times we would just love to whack a Coach on general principles but staring at you is just not one of those things that would be looked upon favorably by the powers that be.

MTD, Sr.

Honestly, the verbal accusation of of a lack of integrity is the biggest violation. But, the first one of those would probably result in a quiet unofficial warning. But being out of the coaching box? good excuse for a T. Nice of him to give that to you.