Foul after violation

[rbruno]

Well the ball became dead when I blew the whistle for the traveling violation. Hence my question about a foul also AND it would be technical. I seems from some that they would consider the contact incidental so go with the travel and move on as I did. I just started to question in my mind about the contact because it was in the head. No matter I'm explaining to one coach or another

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Well the ball became dead when I blew the whistle for the traveling violation.

Became dead with the travel violation, which may have been before the whistle (reaction time).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rbruno

Well the ball became dead when I blew the whistle for the traveling violation. Hence my question about a foul also AND it would be technical. I seems from some that they would consider the contact incidental so go with the travel and move on as I did. I just started to question in my mind about the contact because it was in the head. No matter I'm explaining to one coach or another

IF the ball had been live-- would you have ruled an intentional personal or a flagrant personal? If so, then you should rule an intentional technical or a flagrant technical in your play. If not (that is, if you would have ruled a common foul), then you should ignore it in your play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rbruno

... follows through with her attempted block and hits A-1 in the face.

Originally Posted by rbruno

...the contact because it was in the head.

I missed the reference to contact above the shoulders the first time around.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the ball had been live, would you have ruled an intentional personal or a flagrant personal? If so, then you should rule an intentional technical or a flagrant technical in your play. If not (that is, if you would have ruled a common foul), then you should ignore it in your play.

Agree with bob jenkins.

Depends on how fast the arms were swinging.

4.19.3 SITUATION F: After a rebound, A1, while holding the ball, pivots and A1’s elbow contacts B1 above the shoulders. A1's elbow is violently and excessively swung at a speed in excess of the player’s torso. RULING: If the contact is violent or excessive, a flagrant foul shall be called. (4-27, 4-19-2, 4-19-3, 4-19-4)

9.13.1 SITUATION B: A1 is trapped in the corner by B1 and B2, who are in legal guarding position. In an attempt to create space, A1 rapidly swings arms/elbows while using the shoulders as pivots (a) without making contact; (b) making contact with an opponent above the shoulders and elbows are moving faster than the body. RULING: In (a), A1 excessively swinging arms/elbows without contacting the opponent is a violation. Team B is awarded a designated spot throw-in nearest the violation. In (b), this is considered an intentional foul. (9-13-1)

9.13.2 SITUATION: A5 catches the ball on a rebound, “chins” the ball and then turns (with the elbow at the same speed as the body) to make an outlet pass with the elbow leading the way. Prior to releasing the ball, A1’s elbow contacts B5 above the shoulders. RULING: This may be ruled incidental contact or a player control foul.

Isn't it nice to have interpretations in the casebook and not have to rely on a nine year old Point of Emphasis?