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Old Thu Oct 28, 2021, 01:41pm
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IF there is a shot then this is not relevant. If it is pass, it could still be ruled a violation.
Agree. The "hard part" here is not the rule, it's the judgement as to whether it's a shot (last second makes this easier), or a pass.

And then there could be something else if it is a pass. Just because it can be ruled a ten second violation, should it be ruled a ten second violation in a real game in real time (as compared to a written test question).

At exactly the ten second mark, some (not all) may consider this (long pass) a "gotcha" call.
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Old Thu Oct 28, 2021, 01:52pm
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Agree. The "hard part" here is not the rule, it's the judgement as to whether it's a shot (last second makes this easier), or a pass.

And then there could be something else if it is a pass. Just because it can be ruled a ten second violation, should it be ruled a ten second violation in a real game in real time (as compared to a written test question).

At exactly the ten second mark, some (not all) may consider this (long pass) a "gotcha" call.
I disagree with the last part. Mostly because at the NCAA level for example and the usage of the shot clock, you have to call a violation if the ball is in the air. I use the same logic in a high school game with no shot clock. But again this might be an issue when or if the shot clock is used if the clock is used for a high school game in the coming years. If the team is lazy or the defense forces them to not get the ball across properly, not my issue IMO. Believe it or not, I have not gotten any crap when calling it that way. Happens a few times a year.

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Mostly because at the NCAA level for example and the usage of the shot clock, you have to call a violation if the ball is in the air ... If the team is lazy or the defense forces them to not get the ball across properly, not my issue IMO. Believe it or not, I have not gotten any crap when calling it that way. Happens a few times a year.
Agree with shot clock forcing the call. No choice but to call it.

Regarding lazy offense, or great defense, I also agree.

I've called it a few times in my forty year career, but it was a really lazy offense, or a really great defense, or a really, really long and high pass (hang time).

Even then, I felt like I was showing off, "I know the rule. Gotcha".
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Old Thu Oct 28, 2021, 02:03pm
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Agree with shot clock forcing the call. No choice but to call it.

Regarding lazy offense, or great defense, I also agree.

I've called it a few times in my forty year career, but it was a really lazy offense, or a really great defense, or a really, really long and high pass.

Even then, I felt like I was showing off, "I know the rule. Gotcha".
Don't put me in that situation and you have nothing to worry about. And I have a visible count.

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Old Thu Oct 28, 2021, 02:14pm
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And I have a visible count.
As we all do, and now with every grandmother in the bleachers having a high definition video camera in their cellphone, and publishing the video on My Space for all to see, it's a call that has to be made.
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Old Thu Oct 28, 2021, 02:46pm
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... with every grandmother in the bleachers having a high definition video camera in their cellphone, and publishing the video on My Space for all to see ...
The availability of video has changed the way we officiate.

In ancient times, opponents going for rebound. A1 is boxed out and bumps into B1. Ball goes out of bounds off B1's finger a split second after both players touch the ball.

Give the ball to Team B. Team A coach was happy that A1 didn't get charged with a foul. Team B coach was happy his team had the ball. Wink, wink, nod, nod. The officials knew what really happened. Both coaches knew what really happened. If A1 and B1 are smart veteran players, they knew what really happened. Even intelligent fans may have known what really happened.

Today, with the availability of video, call the foul on A1 if it's a foul, or give the ball to Team A.

No more winking and nodding.
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