new nba shooting foul rules

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by thedewed

if fake someone up but then you jump abnormally ...

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... the faking part. The NCAA addressed this with rules to result in a warning or a straight T (with the rules change) but the NF never has addressed when or how we consider a T for flopping or faking being fouled.

Hard to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that thedewed was referring to the jump shooter shot-faking the defender into the air, and then kicking out a leg to draw a foul.

Of course, there could be two fakes here, the shot-fake, and the "fake" being fouled by the defender due to the abnormal kick out by the jump shooter.

That being said, I think I would view such a (kick out) play in a NFHS high school game as a simple player control foul rather than a technical foul for faking being fouled.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... NF never has addressed when or how we consider a T for flopping or faking being fouled.

10-4-6-F: A player shall not: Faking being fouled.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Hard to be sure, but I'm pretty sure that thedewed was referring to the jump shooter shot-faking the defender into the air, and then kicking out a leg to draw a foul.

Of course, there could be two fakes here, the shot-fake, and the "fake" foul by the defender due to the abnormal kick out by the jump shooter.

That being said, I think I would view such a play in a NFHS high school game as a simple player control foul rather than a technical foul for faking being fouled.



10-4-6-F: A player shall not: Faking being fouled.

Does that address the constant flopping and tactics used by players and specifically telling us when or how to address that issue? Simply saying faking being fouled is very subjective. Have you seen a POE or video presentation directly from the NF telling officials when to invoke this rule? Since the answer is no, they have not addressed this the same way the NCAA has. And the NCAA did nothing but show video after video after video to illustrate what they wanted. Even your organization has not to my knowledge taken any direct interpretation to call flopping a technical foul but they will tell you everything about uniforms and legality of sportsmanship, but nothing about when, how or why we call a T for what you just referenced.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

...the NF never has addressed when or how we consider a T for flopping or faking being fouled.

Never say never, and never say always.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Does that address the constant flopping and tactics used by players and specifically telling us when or how to address that issue? Simply saying faking being fouled is very subjective. Have you seen a POE ... directly from the NF telling officials when to invoke this rule? Since the answer is no ...

Actually, the answer is yes, there was a NFHS Point of Emphasis directly addressing faking being fouled and flopping; and most fouls, including many technical fouls, are subjective, which is why we get paid the big bucks, but I digress.

On the NFHS high school level "faking being fouled" has become an "orphan" rule. Only seven words (already cited) in the rulebook, and nothing in the casebook (and nothing in annual interpretations).

Of course we did get a "one and done" Point of Emphasis, but Points of Emphasis always carry the usual burden of: How are inexperienced officials supposed to know the specifics when lacking a good, experienced trainer?

2004-05 NFHS Basketball Rules Points Of Emphasis
Specific unsporting acts. The committee is concerned about the following specific unsporting acts. Coaches, players and officials must pay particular attention to these areas: Flopping. The defensive player or screener acting as though he or she has been charged by an opponent, when in fact he or she has not been, definitely has an impact on the game. It is detrimental to the best interests of basketball. The 'actor" wants to create the false impression that he or she has been fouled in the charging/guarding situation, or while he or she is screening when in either case there is no contact or incidental contact. The 'actor' falls to the court as though he or she were knocked down by the force of the contact. Those actions are designed to have a foul charged to the opponent a foul not deserved. The "flop" also incites spectators. The rules are in place to deal with such activity and must be enforced. A technical foul is charged to the 'actor' in all cases. Coaches can have a positive impact by appropriately dealing with players who fake being fouled. It is not a part of the game. Officials must penalize the act.

We all know that faking being fouled and flopping exist in high school basketball, yet in my forty years of working and observing games, I've never seen a technical foul charged for faking being fouled. In most situations where it could be called, officials will often "bail out" ("bail out" both the actor and the official) with a (possibly) bogus blocking foul, or by calling nothing.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So we mostly just call nothing.

What JRutledge states is sad, but certainly and unfortunately, quite true.

And I guess I'm a part of the problem:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I think I would view such a (kick out) play in a NFHS high school game as a simple player control foul rather than a technical foul for faking being fouled.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In most situations where it could be called, officials will often "bail out" ("bail out" both the actor and the official) with a (possibly) bogus blocking foul, or by calling nothing.

Of course, a defender "embellishing" a true, actual, real player control foul (charge) isn't illegal, it's not needed, but it's still not illegal. The charging foul was real, just the "embellishing" was fake. He's not faking being fouled, he was fouled. Players really seem to enjoy making life difficult for officials. I've known veteran officials to say, "Please don't do that again", to the Academy Award winner.

A defender who is not actually fouled and "embellishes" (fakes) such is a real problem that should be addressed, probably with something with more bite than, "Please don't do that again".

Maybe drop the "please". Just kidding.