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It's most likely nit picking but it's also an unintended consequence of combining rule sets without attention to detail. New NFHS shot clock guidelines say to start the shot clock and to use the shot clock for the ten second count on a "touch". Current NFHS rules says to start the the ten second count on a "possession". 95-plus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" will be at exactly the same time. 5-minus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" won't be the same and the "possession" may trail the "touch" by one, or more, seconds (muff, deflection, etc.). The NFHS will eventually have to change its "use the shot clock for ten second count" guideline, or change the ten second rule from "possession" to "touch", to align the ten second rule with the new non-visual count (use the shot clock) "mechanic". |
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I am glad if they are implementing the shot clock, we do the same at all levels in this case. Peace |
Worst Case Scenario ...
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But if one is going to use the shot clock to "count" ten seconds (as it appears the NFHS want us to do) it's going to require some type of change in the existing ten second rule: 9-8: A player must not be, nor may his/her team be, in continuous control of the ball which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds. 4-2: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball. A team is in control of the ball: When a player of the team is in control. With no rule change there is a possibility of this worst case scenario. State high school championship final game. Shot clock used. Team B 65, Team A 64. Fourth period. Fifteen seconds left in game. Both teams come out of a timeout. Team A, with no timeouts remaining, inbounds in their backcourt. Inbounder A1 passes to A2, who muffs (shot clock legally start on inbounds touch) the ball away, but eventuality, after two seconds pass (with deflections but no control by both teams), secures control of the ball by holding it and the begins to dribble. Facing strong defensive pressure in his backcourt, A2 is still in his backcourt when the shot clock is at 25 seconds (game clock at five seconds) and the trail official calls a ten second violation on Team A. Team A head coach politely argues that Team A only had "control" of the ball for approximately eight seconds (proven after game on videotape) in the backcourt, quoting 9-8 and 4-2, and should not have had the ten second violation called, depriving Team A of a chance to win the game. |
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Then again, very aware of the difference and do not think it would be that hard if you are in a state that uses the shot clock. I think this would not be that hard for most of us either way. Peace |
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Perhaps aligning it's ten second rule with that of the NCAA, or the NBA? Not that I know what either of those rules (wording) may be. Or perhaps the NFHS shot clock should start on inbounds "control" (holding, dribbling) rather than simply "touch"? |
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The NFHS can change and be exactly like the NCAA (or the NBA). Or it can change the shot clock "rule" to "control" (holding, dribbling) rather than "touch". I believe that either way would successfully work and get rid of this nit picking unintended consequence. |
Once again, they already changed the rule if the shot clock is used. If you do not use the shot clock, you do not apply the "touch" feature. This is one part that sounded rather easy for me.
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What I'm viewing as a shot clock guideline mechanic JRutledge is viewing as a full fledged NFHS rule change. That's the rub. Now I get it (JRutledge's viewpoint). That's why we disagree. But now I can see his side. JRutledge is saying that the shot clock guideline ten second mechanic "trumps" 9-8 in games with a shot clock. Two different ten second rules for two different games, with a shot clock, and without a shot clock. Still disagree, but I get it. |
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It is like the mercy rule or the state finals using video replay. If you are not in those places that uses such situations, you really do not have to worry about the differences. And maybe states will set up some guidelines anyway both rules and mechanically. Peace |
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Oversight And Unintended Consequence ...
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Conversely, I just see this as an oversight, and unintended consequence, very typical for the NFHS I've come to love and hate over the past forty years. I will be attending the IAABO International Fall Seminar, September 29, 2021 through October 3, 2021, in Trumbull, Connecticut. The “Gang of Four” IAABO co-interpreters will be hosting a presentation on rule changes, editorial revisions, points of emphasis, and manual changes. I will be sure to bring up this shot clock mechanic and its conflict with the current ten second rule. Of course, as usual, it will only be an IAABO interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum. |
Ten Second Rule Language ...
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The rules are available on-line. For free. just d/l the pdf. |
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