NFHS Shot Clock Guidelines ...
 

NFHS Shot Clock Guidelines
In accordance with Rule 2-14, each state association may adopt a procedure by which it implements a 35-second shot clock effective with the 2022-23 season. The following are the guidelines to be implemented for those states choosing to adopt the shot clock.

Shot-Clock Displays
A shot clock is one of the two official visible timepieces one at each end of the court.
The shot clocks shall be recessed and mounted on the backboard supports behind each backboard.
An alternate timing device or procedure shall be available when a visible shot clock malfunctions.
LED lights located around the shot clock may be used, but the lights shall only be activated for a shot-clock violation.
Nothing shall be attached to the mounting mechanisms of the shot clock that affects the visibility of the shot clock.

Game And Table Officials
A shot clock operator will be located at the scorer’s and timer’s table. It is recommended that the timer and shot clock operator be seated next to each other.

Officials' General Duties
Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8). Use a silent, visible 10-second count when there is no shot clock visible.
To indicate a shot clock violation the official will give the stop clock signal followed by the tapping of the head and giving a directional signal.
To indicate a shot clock reset the official will use a rolling motion of a pointed index finger above the head.

The Shot-Clock Operator Shall:
Use a 35 second shot clock in accordance with Rule 2-14.
Use the shot clock the entire game, including extra periods, except when there is less time remaining on the game clock than on the shot clock or in cases where 5-5-3 Note has been implemented. In these cases, the shot clock shall be turned off.
Control a separate timing device with a horn that shall have a sound that is distinct and different from that of the game-clock horn.
Have an alternate timing device or procedure available in the case of failure or lack of availability of the electronic clocks.

Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in; or
A team initially gains control after a jump ball or unsuccessful try for goal; or
Control of a loose ball is gained after a jump ball; or
Unsuccessful try for goal.

Stop the timing device and reset to full amount:
When team control is again established after the team loses possession of the ball. Note: The mere touching of the ball by an opponent does not start a new shot clock period with the same team remains in control of the ball.
When any of the following occur:
A single personal foul,
A single technical foul assessed to the defensive team,
During team control, a defensive player causes a held ball, and the alternating possession arrow favors the defensive team,
When a try for goal strikes the ring of flange and then possession is gained by either team,
When a violation occurs,
After a held ball occurs during a throw-in, and the alternating possession arrow favors the team that did not make the throw-in,
After a held ball occurs during after an unsuccessful try that does not contact the ring or flange, and the alternating possession arrow favors the non-shooting team,
After the ball goes out of bound and was last touched simultaneously by two opponents, both of whom are either inbound or out of bounds or when there is doubt as to who last touched the ball and the possession arrow favors the defensive team,
When there is an inadvertent whistle and there was no player or team control at the time of the whistle.

Stop the timing device and continue time without a reset when play begins under the following circumstances:
The ball is deflected out of bounds by a defensive player,
A player is injured or loses a contact lens,
A charged timeout has concluded,
During team control as defined in NFHS 4-12-1, a defensive player causes a held ball, and the alternating possession arrow favors the offensive team,
After any double personal or technical fouls or simultaneous personal or technical fouls when there is team control unless the penalty for the foul results in a change of possession,
After an inadvertent whistle when there is team control.
After any technical foul(s) is assessed to a team in control of the ball, or to the team entitled to the ball before it is at the disposal of the thrower-in, or to bench personnel,
After a held ball occurs during a throw-in, and the alternating possession arrow favors the team that made the throw-in.
After a held ball occurs during after an unsuccessful try that does not contact the ring or flange, and the alternating possession arrow favors the shooting team.
After the ball goes out of bounds and was last touched simultaneously by two opponents, both of whom are either inbounds or out of bounds or when there is doubt as to who last touched the ball and the possession arrow favors the offensive team.
Note: The offensive team, upon regaining possession of the ball for the throw-in, shall have the unexpired time on the shot clock to attempt a try.

Re-setting the shot clock not to the full shot clock amount: Reset the shot clock to 20 seconds when there is an intentionally kicked or fisted ball with less than 19 seconds on the shot clock. State associations may determine, if there are other instances where the clock is reset, but not to the full shot clock amount.

Sound the shot-clock horn at the expiration of the shot-clock period. This shot-clock horn shall not stop play unless recognized by an official’s whistle. When the shot clock indicates zeroes, the shot-clock time has expired.
Turn off the shot clock when a reset situation occurs, and the game clock shows less time than that of a shot-clock period.
Allow the timing device to continue during loose-ball situations when the offense retains control or when a field-goal try is attempted at the wrong basket or when a field-goal try has failed to hit the rim or flange.
Allow the game officials to make the final decision when there is doubt as to whether a score was made within the shot-clock period or whether a try for goal contacted the ring or flange.

Timing Errors
The officials shall make the final decision when there is doubt as to whether a score was made within the shot-clock period or whether a try for goal contacted the ring or flange.
When an obvious mistake by the shot-clock operator has occurred in failing to start, stop, set or reset the shot clock, or when a shot clock has malfunctioned, the mistake or the malfunctioning problem may be corrected in the shot-clock period in which it occurred only when the official has definite information relative to the mistake or malfunctioning problem and the time involved.

Shot Clock Violation
A shot-clock period is the period of time beginning when the ball is legally touched on a throw-in or when team control is established or re-established after loss of team control and the shot clock is properly started. The shot-clock period ends when the shot clock is properly started for the next shot-clock period.
A shot-clock try for field goal is defined as the ball having left the shooter’s hand(s) before the sounding of the shot-clock horn and then striking the ring or flange or entering the basket.
The team in control must attempt a try for a field goal, within the 35 second shot clock period.
It is a violation when a try for field goal does not leave the shooter’s hand before the expiration of the allotted shot-clock time (as indicated by the sounding of the shot-clock horn) or when it does leave the shooter’s hand before the expiration of the allotted shot-clock time and the try does not subsequently strike the ring or flange or enter the basket.

Jump (For My Love) (the Pointer Sisters, 1984) ...
 

Anything major differences between NFHS and NCAA shot clock guidelines jump out at anybody?

Anything major differences between NFHS and your existing state high school shot clock guidelines jump out at anybody?

What is rule 5-5-3?

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Yes, a lot of little differences and some things not addressed in this article at all. Nothing about different times when the offense gets the ball in the FC vs the BC and retains possession after violations or even fouls. That is the biggest difference but to me, that is going a little far for a level that never used the shot clock before across the country.

But that should not matter as the NF needs to write their own procedures for a shot clock IMO. I would not worry about all the differences or interpretations at this stage.

Peace

So, if I'm reading this correctly: 18 resets to 20, but 19 stays at 19?

Running clock, as established by state adoption. No shot clock during these times.

That's what it ways, but it's likely a typo. Is should say "19 or less" not "less than 19" so19 should reset to 20 (imo).

There;s also a likely typo in:
Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in; or
A team initially gains control after a jump ball or unsuccessful try for goal; or
Control of a loose ball is gained after a jump ball; or
Unsuccessful try for goal.

That bolded part should not have a semicolon and should continue on the same line

Just means that if you are lower than 20 seconds during this specific event, you reset to 20 seconds for a kicked or fisted ball violation by the defense.

I think they tried to be a little cute with the wording.

Here is the NCAA Men's Rule wording. Some of this does not apply to the NF at all.

c. Reset to 20 seconds or the time remaining (whichever is greater) when the following occurs:
1. A personal or technical foul is assessed to the defensive team and the ball is to be inbounded in the front court; (Does not apply to the NF)
2. When a kicking the ball/fisting violation is committed by the defense and the ball is to be inbounded in the front court or backcourt; Note: This rule applies only when the foul or violation in 1 or 2 above occurs prior to a try for goal which hits the ring or flange.

Peace

Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8).
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Start the shot clock when:
A player inbounds legally touches or is touched by the ball on a throw-in


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The above does not mesh with the current NFHS rule for ten seconds in the backcourt as a tipped or deflected throw-in pass will cause the shot clock to begin prior to the establishment of control inbounds.

“The shot clocks shall be recessed and mounted on the backboard supports behind each backboard.“

This is too restrictive. There are several gyms in my officiating area which have the shot clocks mounted on the gym walls at each end of the court. This location works just fine.

MD and DC both use a 30-second shot clock. MD still has a visible 10-second count, but DC uses a non-visible count based on the shot clock. DC and MD have used a 30/15 shot clock, with a 15-second reset for a kicked or fisted ball in the frontcourt. Perhaps they might change it to 20 before this season, but I'll have to wait for any announcements to make sure. Many gyms have shot clocks on the walls, and portable shot clocks are common in DC, but newer gyms tend to have shot clocks that are recessed and mounted on the backboards. I have to make sure where the shot clocks are when I walk in a new gym, just to get used to it, but I'm able to pick out where they are and accurately identify issues, based on a pre-game inspection of the facility, so it's not a big deal.

Not the first time the rules editors don't pay attention to the details.

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Well but it does fit the NCAA model of how they use the shot clock. So right, wrong or indifferent, that is exactly how the NCAA applies the rules (at the NCAA Men's level for sure).

But again this is a state-adopted rule, so if you do not use the rule, then the rest should not really matter right?

Peace

Devil Is In The Details ...
 

Connecticut private prep schools use a stupid hybrid combination of NCAA and NFHS rules, including a shot clock for varsity games. I noticed the unintended consequence that Nevadaref noted in my prep school games while using the NCAA shot clock to "count" the NFHS 10-second backcourt rule.

Stupid Connecticut private prep school NCAA/NFHS hybrid rules.

Stupid NFHS.

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Love Train (The O'Jays, 1972) ...
 

Probably the least expensive way for some schools in states that want to get on board the shot clock train.

Especially in "secondary" gyms (what we used to call the "girl's gym" back when I was in high school in the politically incorrect late 60's and early 70's).

I do not see this as an issue or a hybrid situation. I see this if you use the shot clock then the shot clock takes over for the 10-second violation usage. Why not use the shot clock? Everyone can see it and it also makes it easier to judge. No complaining you were too fast or two long, there is a hard fast gauge to determining the timing of the count. The only issue is it must be started properly but that is the case at the college level too. But not much of an issue.

Peace

Unintended Consequence ...
 

But the current NFHS ten second rule doesn't fully allow for that.

It's most likely nit picking but it's also an unintended consequence of combining rule sets without attention to detail.

New NFHS shot clock guidelines say to start the shot clock and to use the shot clock for the ten second count on a "touch".

Current NFHS rules says to start the the ten second count on a "possession".

95-plus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" will be at exactly the same time.

5-minus % of the time the "touch" and the "possession" won't be the same and the "possession" may trail the "touch" by one, or more, seconds (muff, deflection, etc.).

The NFHS will eventually have to change its "use the shot clock for ten second count" guideline, or change the ten second rule from "possession" to "touch", to align the ten second rule with the new non-visual count (use the shot clock) "mechanic".

But you are adding a completely different element into the game. So this is something that is used at levels that use the shot clock. Again, only applies if the shot clock is used. If not, then you do not have anything to worry about.

Again, I am aware of the difference, but if you do not have a shot clock there is no reason to worry about this. Because if you did have a shot clock and the time got to 25 and no violation, you would cause other issues or complaints. So why not put them together if using the shot clock? I think this was very intentional on the part of the NF. You would almost have to create two separate rules in the rulebook for something not used in many cases.

No one said it would be the same. But again the NCAA and NBA already do this in their games. The officials do not have a visible count because the clock is the timing device used. That is why the rule also said to give a visible count when the shot clock is turned off or not being used (less than 35 seconds).

I am glad if they are implementing the shot clock, we do the same at all levels in this case.

Peace

Worst Case Scenario ...
 

Agree that the shot clock and ten second count should probably be used together (accuracy and similar to other rule sets familiar to many basketball stakeholders).

But if one is going to use the shot clock to "count" ten seconds (as it appears the NFHS want us to do) it's going to require some type of change in the existing ten second rule:

9-8: A player must not be, nor may his/her team be, in continuous control of the ball which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds.

4-2: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball. A team is in control of the ball: When a player of the team is in control.

With no rule change there is a possibility of this worst case scenario.

State high school championship final game. Shot clock used. Team B 65, Team A 64. Fourth period. Fifteen seconds left in game. Both teams come out of a timeout. Team A, with no timeouts remaining, inbounds in their backcourt. Inbounder A1 passes to A2, who muffs (shot clock legally start on inbounds touch) the ball away, but eventuality, after two seconds pass (with deflections but no control by both teams), secures control of the ball by holding it and the begins to dribble. Facing strong defensive pressure in his backcourt, A2 is still in his backcourt when the shot clock is at 25 seconds (game clock at five seconds) and the trail official calls a ten second violation on Team A. Team A head coach politely argues that Team A only had "control" of the ball for approximately eight seconds (proven after game on videotape) in the backcourt, quoting 9-8 and 4-2, and should not have had the ten second violation called, depriving Team A of a chance to win the game.

You could solve all this with case plays or interpretations that deal with the issue. But I do not see why it matters if using the shot clock the rule says how to apply that rule and if you do not use the rule, everything stays the same? Not sure it matters at that point, that is all I am saying. And honestly, I do not see the NF making a rule for the shot clock (in the violations section) and then another rule in that same section for situations without a shot clock.

Then again, very aware of the difference and do not think it would be that hard if you are in a state that uses the shot clock. I think this would not be that hard for most of us either way.

Peace

Something ...
 

Agree. The NFHS has to do something.

Perhaps aligning it's ten second rule with that of the NCAA, or the NBA?

Not that I know what either of those rules (wording) may be.

Or perhaps the NFHS shot clock should start on inbounds "control" (holding, dribbling) rather than simply "touch"?

I already stated what was the NCAA and NBA rule. This document you posted clearly is using the same language as those levels. So nothing to change if you wish the touch to be the start of the shot clock and the reason to have a 10 second violation.

Peace

Coexisting ...
 

Something has to change; rule, mechanic, caseplay, or interpretation; something.

Can't have touch, shot clock ten second mechanic, and current NFHS ten second rule coexisting with no change.

The NFHS can change and be exactly like the NCAA (or the NBA).

Or it can change the shot clock "rule" to "control" (holding, dribbling) rather than "touch".

I believe that either way would successfully work and get rid of this nit picking unintended consequence.

Once again, they already changed the rule if the shot clock is used. If you do not use the shot clock, you do not apply the "touch" feature. This is one part that sounded rather easy for me.

Peace

Rule Sets ...
 

I'm assuming you mean that both the NCAA and the NBA have a ten second rule (with, or without, a shot clock turned on) starting on the inbounds "touch" (as opposed to the NFHS inbounds "control").

Control ...
 

9-8 wasn't changed (as far as I know, maybe we'll have to wait for the new rulebooks), still "control", no exceptions listed.

What I'm viewing as a shot clock guideline mechanic JRutledge is viewing as a full fledged NFHS rule change.

That's the rub.

Now I get it (JRutledge's viewpoint). That's why we disagree. But now I can see his side.

JRutledge is saying that the shot clock guideline ten second mechanic "trumps" 9-8 in games with a shot clock.

Two different ten second rules for two different games, with a shot clock, and without a shot clock.

Still disagree, but I get it.

To me this is a solution looking for a problem. If your state never uses a shot clock, not an issue is it? You do not need the same rule for both situations.

It is like the mercy rule or the state finals using video replay. If you are not in those places that uses such situations, you really do not have to worry about the differences. And maybe states will set up some guidelines anyway both rules and mechanically.

Peace

Obviously both us a shot clock but the wording you showed mirrored those rules set to do with the shot clock on and the shot clock off. I cannot speak directly for the NBA, but the NCAA uses the exact same language when the clock is on or the clock is off.

Peace

Oversight And Unintended Consequence ...
 

Again, I see your point if you're viewing shot clock guideline mechanics as a full fledged NFHS rule change, with two different ten second rules for two different games, with a shot clock, and without a shot clock, with the shot clock guideline ten second mechanic "trumping" 9-8 in games with a shot clock.

Conversely, I just see this as an oversight, and unintended consequence, very typical for the NFHS I've come to love and hate over the past forty years.

I will be attending the IAABO International Fall Seminar, September 29, 2021 through October 3, 2021, in Trumbull, Connecticut. The “Gang of Four” IAABO co-interpreters will be hosting a presentation on rule changes, editorial revisions, points of emphasis, and manual changes. I will be sure to bring up this shot clock mechanic and its conflict with the current ten second rule. Of course, as usual, it will only be an IAABO interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

Ten Second Rule Language ...
 

I was actually more concerned about the NCAA ten second rule language than I was about the NCAA shot clock language. Does the NCAA ten second rule start on the inbounds "touch" (as opposed to the NFHS inbounds "control")?

Yes. It starts on a touch after a throw-in and on control after a jump ball, a rebound, a steal.

The rules are available on-line. For free. just d/l the pdf.

I will put it this way. NCAA uses the shot clock for all games and all levels. So yes the language reflects the rules that apply to the shot clock. Not a state adopted or conference adopted rule.

Peace

Matching Rules ...
 

Thanks JRutledge. As I expected, The NCAA ten second rule perfectly matches the NCAA shot clock rule.

The NFHS should do the same (matching rules), or it can change the shot clock guideline to "control" (holding, dribbling) rather than "touch".

Fundamental Rule ...
 

A two second time difference shouldn't be just passed off as, "Sorry Coach, this is a shot clock game". The ten second rule with the language "in continuous control of the ball which is in his/her backcourt for 10 seconds" is a fundamental basketball rule that hasn't changed in over forty years. It should take more than just a one sentence guideline, "Use the shot clock to administer the 10-second backcourt count (9-8)" (that includes the actual unchanged existing rule citation) to overturn such a fundamental rule. It's an oversight with an unintended consequence, it has to be. Luckily, there are a few different ways to correct it. The NFHS tried to fit a round NCAA peg into a square NFHS hole, with little attention to detail (even JRutledge said that the language was very similar, I say maybe copied, with no regard for differing details and unintended consequences).

IAABO "Gang Of Four” ...
 

Gave them a heads up and got this response.

I don't believe we'll be addressing this b/c, as of now, the NFHS has not approved the shot clock as a "national" rule, but only by State Association Adoption. It'll be up to each state that chooses to use the shot clock to decide HOW they want to implement it. Totally agree with your question and your play scenario ... my "guess" is that states that choose to use the shot clock will use the mechanic that 10-seconds in the back court is based on the "touch" of the ball and the shot clock starting and NOT on "player/team" control on the court. This is just my opinion, as we have not discussed as a group.

Point to JRutledge. Can game, set, and match be next?

One thing that I don't want to do is to visually count with a shot clock going. It can only lead to problems with coaches, and fans.

Secret Handshake ...
 

Just got a followup email that said that they want me to mention this inconsistency during their presentation.

Do they know what their getting into?

They do have "secret handshake" connection to the NFHS, so maybe they can come up with an updated interpretation or confirmation over the next several weeks.

Lots of states are represented by IAABO. Some are already using a shot clock. Some may start to use a shot clock soon. Some may never use a shot clock. I guess that they feel that this is worth covering.

The change doesn't go into effect until the 2022-23 season, so the current count-start rules are not affected.

Better question: how are the states/locales that currently use shot clocks handling the discrepancy?

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When I have a discussion with a coach about when the count starts will likely be one of the first times that has ever happen. So if you have to go through all of that with a coach, it will be a very rare situation, to begin with. Kind of like discussing backcourt rules with coaches who never picked up a rulebook. And they never seem to understand the concept of team control and touching the ball last in the FC and first in the BC even if the ball was knocked away. So again if this is a state-adopted rule I seriously doubt I will have to point out what happens with games in a state that has adopted the rule for all levels (or at least the level we are discussing at the time). Not like we get a ton of cross-over games from each state and I even work in two different states.

Peace

Not My Finest Hour ...
 

One time for me, over thirty five years ago in a junior varsity game, obviously didn't involve a shot clock, but involved a mistake by me carelessly and erroneously continuing a five second throwin count after a successful free throw into a ten second backcourt count violation. The coach was paying attention to the game clock and he let me vehemently know about it, "The (game) clock only ticked down seven seconds", to the tune of a technical foul. I did apologize to him the next time I saw him after my partner and I figured it out on the ride home.

Good reason to switch hands when changing one count into an another.

Discrepancy, What Discrepancy ???
 

Do they even realize that there is a discrepancy?

With our hybrid NCAA/NFHS rules for Connecticut private prep schools and shot clocks for varsity games, I honestly believe that many of local officials don't know, or don't care, about the discrepancy, nor does the private prep schools sports governing body (coaches, athletic directors, and headmasters).

Maybe that was one of the reasons that when conferences started experimenting with a shot clock decades ago, some of them started the clock only on front court possession.

Front Court Shot Clock ...
 

Nice contribution to the thread. Thanks Robert Goodman.

IAABO Gang Of Four ...
 

They've decided to use the secret handshake.

... will forward the information and question/scenario to the NFHS and ask for their interpretation/ruling.

I will update the Forum if I receive word of an update or confirmation.

The Old Line State ...
 

Sorry, late to the party.

ilyazhito:

In Maryland, when does one, by rule, start the ten second visual count, touch, or control?

If control, do coaches and fans react negatively to differences between shot clock numbers and ten second counts (if they exist)?

In MD, the 10-second count starts on control, because it is a visible count. I would prefer that it be non-visible and on the touch, but it is the way it is (unless MPSSAA decides to change the rule).

Ten Seconds! Ten Seconds! Ten Seconds! ...
 

Most fans and coaches probably aren't cognizant enough to know the reason for the difference, and could get upset when their team's archrival isn't whistled for a ten second violation at 25 seconds on the shot clock.

I've Got A Slide Rule And I Know How To Use It ...
 

Of course, this could mean to do the math in your head and to use the shot clock instead of a visual count. Control occurs two seconds after touch? Call the ten second violation with 23 on the shot clock.

Just kidding. I fully realize that the guidelines are mostly based on NCAA rules where both the shot clock and the ten second count start on the touch.

That would be a 10-second violation at 18, not 23. Any way, I hope that the shot clock would become more massively distributed.

Do The Math ...
 

I've got a Pickett Model N-500-ES Trig All Metal Slide Rule and I know how to use it.

35-2-10=23

I was using a 30-second shot clock for my calculations, because that is what both DC and MD use for their games. You'd be right with a 35-second shot clock.

And I have both a half-size and a full-size Post Versalog Slide Rule as well as a Post Trig Slide Rule and I know how to use all three of them, :p!

MTD, Sr.

The Slide Rule Club ...
 

Before I retired from teaching middle school science I came across a large demonstration slide rule, about six feet long, behind stacks of books in a little used storage room. I remember my high school chemistry teacher, Mr. Dalton, back in the late 1960's, using one of these demonstration slide rules to teach us how to use slide rules.

So I figured I'd start a school slide rule club to teach interested students how to use slide rules, as old-timers did back before there were calculators. I got a local newspaper reporter to interview me for an article in which I asked people from town to check their attics and basements and donate any old slide rules to the school, and I received several donations.

After teaching the use of the slide rule, I figured the student club members could practice multiplication, division, squares, square roots, cubes, and cube root problems, and possibly having some type of "calculation contest" as a wrap-up activity.

I had a write up in the school club handbook, filled a display case in a hallway near my classroom with the slide rules I had collected, as well as the giant demonstration slide rule, and asked all math and science teachers in all three grades to talk-up the slide rule club.

I knew that the slide rule club wouldn't be a super popular club, but I figured that a few nerdy kids interested in science and/or math would sign up. The didn't even have to stay after school, clubs were held once a week during normal school hours (with shortened class periods that day).

750 kids in the school.

Not a single student signed up for the slide rule club as one of their top choices.

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Imagine (John Lennon, 1971) ...
 

Imagine that.

Why are we talking about slide rules? I do the math simply by determining what the initial shot clock value is and how many seconds have elapsed. Any other officials working with a shot clock due the same thing.

It's An Inside Joke ...
 

Good question ilyazhito. You're probably one of the few non-science, non-math, non-old timers, who knows that a slide rule doesn't allow for addition and subtraction calculations.

Years and years ago when I was doing some substitute teaching of Mathematics in the Toledo Public School I found one like that in Waite H.S. The teacher whose room it was in told me that it was there when she started teaching. I attempted to buy it from TPS but it was not listed as TPS property so TPS could not sell it to more but if I decided to take it I would be charged with theft of school property, lol! Of course if I had managed to buy it from TPS Bonnie would have probably divorced me if I had brought it home, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

Billy and I are talking about slide rules because we are retired STEM professionals and the U.S. put men on the Moon using slide rules.

MTD, Sr.

That make sense. How are slide rules relevant to the shot clock?

I thought they used a Saturn rocket?

ROTFLMTO!!

MTD, Sr.

Hook, Line, Sinker ...
 

They're not. It's an inside joke and you appear to be on the outside. My off-topic, off-season, dead-Forum slide rule/shot clock posts were designed to flush out Mark T. DeNucci, Sr., and he took the bait.

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And I am dang proud that I know how to use a slide rule. I wear it proudly from my belt like a sword.

MTD, Sr.

Something tells me that Ilya does not fall in the category of "non-math, non-science". Don't know why you're proffering that assumption. :confused:

Old Timer ...
 

There was no "or", but the addition of an "and" could have avoided Raymond's confusion.

A Chick Magnet I Tell You, A Chick Magnet ...
 

As we all did, and it drove chicks crazy.

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White And Nerdy (Weird Al Yankovic, 2006) ...
 

But it does add and subtract logarithms, that's how slide rules multiply and divide.

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Fun's over. BillyMac out.

You're correct. I'm studying accounting. Anyway, enough of the digression to slide rules.