Fun With Two Or Three Points ...

[BillyMac]

Center A2, the tallest player in the league, sets a ball screen for point guard A1, the shortest player in the league. Both A1 and A2 are outside the three point arc. Because of the great screen, A1 finds himself undefended for a split second and attempts a three point try, however, after A1 releases the try, the ball (on the way up) strikes A2 in the head. The ball awkwardly ricochets high into the air, and subsequently passes through the basket.

Two points, or three points? Is this like the alley-oop pass? And remember, the teammate, A2, is outside (not inside) the arc.

Easy extra credit: Same thing, but horn to end period sounds after the ball ricochets off A2's head, but before the ball enters the basket?

[Rich]

Off topic much, Rut?


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Off topic much, Rut?

I'm giving an analogy. And I think it applies here. The problem is the NF does not have one voice on many of these things and often sends us to our state to give an interpretation.

And you never seem to worry about other conversations where things are way off topic. So why worry about my position now?

Peace

[johnny d]

No way I am awarding 3 points on this play. First, as JRut says, that is not the intent of the rule. Second, I will use the following contradictory case play if the coach insists this should count as 3 points.

A1's three-point try is short and below the ring level when it hits the shoulder of B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket. Ruling: the three-point try ended when it was obviously short and below the ring. However, since a live ball went through the basket, two points are scored.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnny d

A1's three-point try is short and below the ring level when it hits the shoulder of B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket. Ruling: the three-point try ended when it was obviously short and below the ring. However, since a live ball went through the basket, two points are scored.

Nice citation johnny d. Thanks.

4.41.4 - Situation B: A1’s three-point try is short and below ring level when it hits the shoulder of: (a) A2; or (b) B1 and rebounds to the backboard and through the basket. Ruling: The three-point try ended when it was obviously short and below the ring. However, since a live ball went through the basket, two points are scored in both (a) and (b). (5-1)

However:

5.2.1 Situation C: A1 throws the ball from behind the three-point line. The ball is legally touched by: (b) B1 who is in the two-point area. The ball continues in flight and goes through A's basket. RULING: In (b), three points are scored since the legal touching was by the defense and the ball was thrown from behind the three-point line.

And we have this rule citation:

A successful try, tap or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team’s own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts three points. A ball that touches the floor, a teammate inside the arc, an official, or any other goal from the field counts two points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown.

Nothing about a defender inside the arc.

This situation is no longer as cut and dry as I originally believed.

Can we all agree that, unlike the original rule from thirty years ago, a three point basket no longer has to be a legal try, but could be a pass?

[Camron Rust]

Case 4.41.4 is the applicable case play....2 points. The ball was short and any throw that could have been considered 3 was over. A new action by the defender batted the ball (not merely touched it in flight) into a basket for 2 points.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Can we all agree that, unlike the original rule from thirty years ago, a three point basket no longer has to be a legal try, but could be a pass?

Comments On The 2001-02 Revisions

Three point basket clarified. Three points shall be awarded for any ball thrown, passed, or shot from beyond the three point arc that passes through a team’s own basket. Where in most situations a try can be differentiated from a pass, to eliminate possible confusion this change should help to clarify by not requiring judgment as to whether the ball in flight was a pass or a try.

5.2.1 Situation: With 2:45 left in the second quarter, B1 has the ball on the left wing in Team B’s frontcourt, standing behind the three point arc. B5 makes a back door cut toward the basket. B1 passes the bail toward the ring and B5 leaps for the potential alley-oop dunk. The ball, however, enters and passes through the goal directly from B1’s pass and is not touched by B5. Ruling: Score three points for Team B. A ball that is thrown into the goal from behind the three point arc in the frontcourt scores three points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an actual try for goal.

[JRutledge]

Yes but this is not going anywhere near the basket. So unless we have a doubt, then to me this should only be a 2 in the video.

Again, what is the intent of the rule? What were they trying to clear up by making this ruling from previously saying no matter what it was a 2 if the officials deem the "throw" to be only a pass?

This to me is not the intent or the kind of situation that the interpretation was cleared up for. But again if there is not clarity, the NF often asks for states to make their ruling and this might be one of these cases I might just ask for opinions in my area.

Peace