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Old Fri Mar 05, 2021, 10:56am
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Fun With A Reverse Hot Stove Touch ...

Does Dribbler commit a foul on this play? Dribbler contacts defender with right arm twice while dribbling. Is it a foul or is this incidental contact? If defender had done same to dribbler, would a foul be ruled?

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Two choices: This is a player control foul. This is incidental contact.

My comment: This is incidental contact. No advantage gained.

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Old Fri Mar 05, 2021, 12:35pm
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Um, no. This is not a foul.
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Old Fri Mar 05, 2021, 02:52pm
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No Foul !!
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Old Fri Mar 05, 2021, 02:55pm
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Where is the hot stove?

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Old Fri Mar 05, 2021, 05:39pm
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I have no foul on this play.
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Old Fri Mar 05, 2021, 06:36pm
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Hot Stove Touch ...

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Where is the hot stove?
Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we refer to the first, only, and short-lived touch of ball handler by a defender as a legal "hot stove touch". Any hand contact beyond that becomes justification to adjudicate a hand check foul.

10-6-12: The following acts constitute a foul when committed against a ball handler/dribbler. A player becomes a ball handler when he/she receives the ball. This would include a player in a post position.
a. Placing two hands on the player.
b. Placing an extended arm bar on the player.
c. Placing and keeping a hand on the player.
d. Contacting the player more than once with the same hand or alternating hands.


I used the made-up phrase "reverse hot stove touch" to describe this video play, the first, only, short-lived, and possibly legal touch of a defender by a ball handler.

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Old Sat Mar 06, 2021, 10:04pm
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Here in my little corner of Connecticut, we refer to the first, only, and short-lived touch of ball handler by a defender as a legal "hot stove touch". Any hand contact beyond that becomes justification to adjudicate a hand check foul.

10-6-12: The following acts constitute a foul when committed against a ball handler/dribbler. A player becomes a ball handler when he/she receives the ball. This would include a player in a post position.
a. Placing two hands on the player.
b. Placing an extended arm bar on the player.
c. Placing and keeping a hand on the player.
d. Contacting the player more than once with the same hand or alternating hands.


I used the made-up phrase "reverse hot stove touch" to describe this video play, the first, only, short-lived, and possibly legal touch of a defender by a ball handler.
I am very aware of the term and the rule, but I see no such thing happening in this video. And as Raymond said, I think they need a better example.

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Old Sat Mar 06, 2021, 03:48pm
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They need to find another play for this discussion.

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Old Sat Mar 06, 2021, 04:22pm
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Intrigue ...

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They need to find another play for this discussion.
I usually only post interesting video situations, situations that might generate some lively debate, and don't usually bother to post the mundane situations. The only reason that I posted this video was because the IAABO question, "If defender had done same to dribbler, would a foul be ruled?" intrigued me.
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