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Fun With Creating Separation
Does offensive player foul before catching the ball? On an inbounds pass, player receiving ball contacts her opponent. Was this legal incidental contact? Was this a team control foul?
https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...LZzSadAA%3D%3D Two choices: This is a team control foul. This is incidental contact. My comment: This is a team control foul. White #11 gained a slight advantage after using both of her arms to create separation between herself and Black #12. Thoughts?
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Missed the travel. Good eye Nevadaref. Let's see if IAABO picks that up in its play commentary. (In my defense, the ball would have become dead with the team control foul and one can't travel with a dead ball.)
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It probably is a foul and would have no issue if called.
Not so sure about the travel violation, not on that movement, but that is me. Peace
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Drags Along The Floor ...
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However, the Trail was right there and had a great look and he passed on a call, so a no call may be plausible. Two simple plays (so I thought) posted today, and there's a lot to see, calls, and no calls. Basketball officiating is really hard. Good basketball officiating is really, really hard.
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IAABO Survey Says
Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.
https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...LZzSadAA%3D%3D IAABO International Play Commentary: Correct Answer: This is a team control foul. In this play, let's think about the mindset of the player receiving the ball. She reaches out and slightly contacts the defender before receiving the ball. Why do you suppose she did it? In her mind, do you think she needed that slight contact to ensure she would be able to get the ball and prevent the defender from deflecting the pass? Keep in mind, the severity of contact is not the primary factor if a foul occurs on this play. Was the defender inhibited by the contact? Did the offensive player gain an advantage by the contact? If this is the case, this is a pushing foul on the offensive team, and a team control foul should be assessed. This is the ruling 65% of respondents stated was the correct ruling. Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is a team control foul 66% (including me). This is incidental contact 34%.
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At the time of the contact, the ball was already well over B's head. She wasn't catching it either way. B still jumped cleanly and back towards the opponent. There was probably a small nudge there but it had zero impact on the play. White was going to catch that ball regardless. I'm probably going incidental.
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Contact On Inbound Plays ...
I find that small nudges, tiny pushes, short extension of arms, minor holds, etc. (not even considering screens), on inbounds plays, usually by the offense; often planned, predetermined, and practiced; and executed deliberately and intentionally; to be among the most difficult contact plays for me to adjudicate.
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Secretly Thought ...
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Why do we do this?
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Just Looking For The Most Egregious Behavior ...
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Could that be why?
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How many states are still using two-person on the varsity level? I don't remember the last time I worked two-person on a varsity game.
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