Another example of the NBA officials not caring about enforcing rules

[Nevadaref]

Frequently NBA officials turn a blind eye towards violations when there is no defensive pressure or a player isn’t gaining any advantage.
The throw-in by Porzingis in this clip highlighted on ESPN.com is another clear example of illegal action which an official simply ignores.
The entertainment league obviously doesn’t desire for this to be called and have a possession taken away from a team.

Someone else can post a link as I’m not certain how to do that for this particular video.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Frequently NBA officials turn a blind eye towards violations when there is no defensive pressure or a player isn’t gaining any advantage.

The throw-in by Porzingis in this clip highlighted on ESPN.com is another clear example of illegal action which an official simply ignores.

The entertainment league obviously doesn’t desire for this to be called and have a possession taken away from a team.



Someone else can post a link as I’m not certain how to do that for this particular video.

I know even in HS varsity games I don't stare at the ball handler when there's no pressure. Those traveling videos embarrass the officials but I could see that happen to me as I'm looking for the next competitive matchup.

Sometimes it's not a big conspiracy.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

... even in HS varsity games I don't stare at the ball handler when there's no pressure ... I'm looking for the next competitive matchup.

Agree. In many cases our partner should be looking for those matchups, but it's tough for one to observe eight players over an area possibly two-thirds of the court, or more, and I often take a peek upcourt.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree. In many cases our partner should be looking for those matchups, but it's tough for one to observe nine players over an area possibly two-thirds of the court, or more, and I often take a peek upcourt.

I have two partners in every game and I still don't stare at unpressured ball handlers.


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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I know even in HS varsity games I don't stare at the ball handler when there's no pressure. Those traveling videos embarrass the officials but I could see that happen to me as I'm looking for the next competitive matchup.

Sometimes it's not a big conspiracy.


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That would make sense if there were any other players on that half of the court, but in this case there aren’t any. It is just the official, the inbounder and a teammate in the backcourt. The official isn’t looking at a nearby matchup, he just isn’t paying any attention to the routine, unpressured throw-in.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That would make sense if there were any other players on that half of the court, but in this case there aren’t any. It is just the official, the inbounder and a teammate in the backcourt. The official isn’t looking at a nearby matchup, he just isn’t paying any attention to the routine, unpressured throw-in.

And I can see myself making that mistake in a moment, too. I'm just saying I don't see it as a nefarious plot to not call violations.

The better the play the better we expect them to do basic things.


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

... a nefarious plot to not call violations.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... I'm not 100% certain that it's a violation in NFHS? It certainly "looks" odd and like it should be a violation, but I believe that he releases the ball before is right foot hits the court inbounds. There is no boundary plane for inbounders (feet, ball, hands, or body) in the NFHS, just defenders. The running start makes it look odd and the start of the bounce pass looks very much like the start of a dribble, but it isn't ...

For those of us that don't officiate NBA games, is this an actual NFHS violation? If so, why?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

And I can see myself making that mistake in a moment ...

I've had a few of these over forty years. I barely notice something "odd" in my peripheral vision, and there's a slight murmur by the fans, and I say to myself, I wish that I was paying closer attention.

Defensive coaches seldom complain because on routine no pressure backcourt throwins they're usually communicating with their players upcourt regarding defensive assignments. Of course, offensive coaches aren't going to complain for obvious reasons.

But there's always a few fans of the offended team in the bleachers, often near the endlines, who notice and complain, thus the slight murmur from the crowd in the cheap seats.

[JRutledge]

I see a lot of officials do not pay attention to throw-in legality and mostly after a made basket. This looked bad, but often it is too routine for many of us so we do not pay attention to the details.

I say this because I have called these violations with no pressure only to be argued how much they did not violate. It is actually kind of funny how lazy players are to make throw-ins sometimes.

Peace

[crosscountry55]

Related event. I had a team yesterday, down by 20 3rd quarter, lazily not take the ball out of bounds after a field goal (one of those mental errors a team makes when they are frustrated). No defensive pressure. A1 passed to A2 who started to advance the ball. “Tweet”...I called the violation.

A few years ago, or if it’s not a varsity game, I probably let this go on the basis of situation, time, and score. After the game my R (much older) said I should have. But, meh....these days everything is on video (NFHS.net, YouTube, etc.), plus you never know who’s watching, so I made the call.


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[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Related event. I had a team yesterday, down by 20 3rd quarter,

Plus, it's better to learn this lesson when the team is down by 20 and it doesn't cost them anything than to learn the lesson when they are down by two and it costs them the game (or they blame the ref for costing them the game)

[Danvrapp]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Related event. I had a team yesterday, down by 20 3rd quarter, lazily not take the ball out of bounds after a field goal

Could you have gotten away with a whistle and a quick "Hey...take the ball OOB!" Without knowing the details of your play, what rule did they violate? If the player was never OOB to pass it in, what violation occurred?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

Could you have gotten away with a whistle and a quick "Hey...take the ball OOB!" Without knowing the details of your play, what rule did they violate? If the player was never OOB to pass it in, what violation occurred?

9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1
grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a
throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain
inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate, who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1 must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1
grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a
throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain
inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate, who scores a basket. RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1 must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

Archive Challenge: There was an interp a while back that clarified the violation occurs at the point Team B begins to advance the ball.


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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

Could you have gotten away with a whistle and a quick "Hey...take the ball OOB!"?

Not in a varsity game.


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