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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

Good foul call for hands on the ball handler. I would deem the head to head contact incidental.

Not necessary to deem the subsequent contact after the hand check foul incidental or illegal unless one deems the head to head contact foul(s) to be intentional or flagrant dead ball contact (which they weren't).

[Jfpdi]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not necessary to deem the subsequent contact after the hand check foul incidental or illegal unless one deems the head to head contact foul(s) to be intentional or flagrant dead ball contact (which they weren't).

Agreed. But once I see blood on a player I am getting my partners together to see if anyone had anything on the play that would require a call. Most coaches are going to ask how come his player is bleeding and being able to explain it was incidental contact would probably be helpful.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jfpdi

Agreed. But once I see blood on a player I am getting my partners together to see if anyone had anything on the play that would require a call. Most coaches are going to ask how come his player is bleeding and being able to explain it was incidental contact would probably be helpful.

Good game management.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good game management.

*I admit that its unfortunate when this happens in our games; sad for the injured player and an explanation to coach for non- calling will often be necessary. I concur, Good game management!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

1a) The Principal of Verticality has been in the NFHS and NCAA Men's Rules Committees nomenclature since at least the 1950s and the NBC The predecessor of the NFHS and NCAA Men's Rules Committees.).

1b) The Principal of Verticality has also been a part of the FIBA nomenclature but not part of the NAGWS (AIAW: women's college). It became a part of the NCAA Women's Rules Committee when the NCAA supplanted the AIAW and merged various parts of the NAGWS Rules into the NCAA Women's Rules.

1c) The Cylinder of Verticality is not a new concept. It has been part of the FIBA nomenclature since at least the 1980s.

1d) Despite the NCAA Men's and Women's recent addition of Cylinder of Verticality to its nomenclature, the Principal of Verticality has always (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley) implied the Cylinder of Verticality. The Principal of Verticality cannot exist without the Cylinder of Verticality.


2a) I have a Hand Check Foul by W3 on R22 at 0:02.5 on the Game Clock, which would end this discussion now but since the Common Foul (CF) was not called let us press on.

2b) From 0:02.5 on W3 has breached R22's Cylinder of Verticality and at this point W3 is responsible for any contact between W3 and R22. And at 0:01.8 W3 and R22 bump heads. This is a CF by W3.

MTD, Sr.