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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

You'd have to know you had the virus or exposed to be concerned about spreading it. I doubt he would of went if he thought he was infected.

As for information, I work for a hospital and her bombarded with information every day.

There were reports that other people at that rally discovered they had the virus after that rally. So either way, it goes he got it and the fact we do not know where is a problem. So to say let us not worry about that without some level of caution is silly. My wife works in a nursing home and is in a nursing home that has patients with Covid-19 brought to their building. Not everyone is dying, but people have gotten sick. So why put us in harm's way without some better information of how you can contract this virus?

Peace

[SNIPERBBB]

We do have treatments out there. But the odds of avoiding it forever aren't good unless it fades out the way SARS-1 did. We get put in harm's way all the time. We lost two weeks of basketball in January because of flu. Again it's about managed risk 4/5 deaths are age 65+. 45-64 makes up nearly the rest with a less than 6000 of remaining age groups.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

We do have treatments out there. But the odds of avoiding it forever aren't good unless it fades out the way SARS-1 did. We get put in harm's way all the time. We lost two weeks of basketball in January because of flu. Again it's about managed risk 4/5 deaths are age 65+. 45-64 makes up nearly the rest with a less than 6000 of remaining age groups.

The 45-64 age group makes up a significant percentage of high school officials in football and basketball. So even if high school sports do start up in the near future, there's a good chance a large number of officials will not make their services available.

Why do people always feel like they need to tell other adults that there are risks in life, like other adults are stupid and don't know that? Or like other adults have never taken risks and applied risk analysis to their decisions?

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[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Why do people always feel like they need to tell other adults that there are risks in life, like other adults are stupid and don't know that? Or like other adults have never taken risks and applied risk analysis to their decisions?

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I get what you are saying, but there are numerous studies indicating that the vast majority of adult Americans are mathematically illiterate, especially in their understanding and knowledge of statistics. In fact there was recently a study published (researchers from Stanford) showing that most Americans significantly overestimate their chances of getting infected and of having serious coronavirus related illness or death. There study shows the reasons for this are math illiteracy, mass hysteria in the news media, and government actions are the leading causes of the overestimation. Unfortunately, most American adults are stupid when it comes to math-related issues. I do agree that most people do not want to have other people they do not know telling them what they should or should not be doing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

... 4/5 deaths are age 65+. 45-64 makes up nearly the rest ...

That's me, and and a lot of other people. Are we expendable? Should we be ignored? Since we're going to die sooner rather than later just toss us to the side of the road like unwanted trash, or maybe put us on an iceberg and let us float away into oblivion.

Since masks do little (maybe some, but not a lot, may not stop the virus but may decrease the devastating effects of the virus) to protect us, we count on others to wear masks to protect us. It's the patriotic and caring thing to do.

Thank you for wearing a mask, even if it does fog up your glasses.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by LRZ

I volunteer at a hospital and I too am bombarded with information, none of which is as cavalier about the dangers of COVID-19 as you seem to be.

I'm also aware of how little was initially known about coronavirus, a plausible explanation for erroneous prognostications and medical advice and information that later changed as we learned more.

You handle medical wastes, I recall you saying in another thread. You have also referred to nurses in a way that suggests that you are neither a doctor nor a nurse. Regardless of your official job title, it's clear from your posts that you are in the "exaggerated peril" or "hoax" camp. Some of us prefer to be more cautious.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There were reports that other people at that rally discovered they had the virus after that rally. So either way, it goes he got it and the fact we do not know where is a problem. So to say let us not worry about that without some level of caution is silly. My wife works in a nursing home and is in a nursing home that has patients with Covid-19 brought to their building. Not everyone is dying, but people have gotten sick. So why put us in harm's way without some better information of how you can contract this virus?

Peace

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Originally Posted by BillyMac

That's me, and and a lot of other people. Are we expendable? Should we be ignored? Since we're going to die sooner rather than later just toss us to the side of the road like unwanted trash, or maybe put us on an iceberg and let us float away into oblivion.

Since masks do little (maybe some, but not a lot, may not stop the virus but may decrease the devastating effects of the virus) to protect us, we count on others to wear masks to protect us. It's the patriotic and caring thing to do.

Thank you for wearing a mask, even if it does fog up your glasses.

You should ask New York and Pennsylvania's governor's that question. I point those numbers out to show who are the at risk groups.

The caring thing to do is get the healthy people back to work ASAP. N We're doing decades worth of damage to the economy. Not to mention mention what it's doing to the youth. Suicide statistics are growing more alarming .

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

You should ask New York and Pennsylvania's governor's that question. I point those numbers out to show who are the at risk groups.



The caring thing to do is get the healthy people back to work ASAP. N We're doing decades worth of damage to the economy. Not to mention mention what it's doing to the youth. Suicide statistics are growing more alarming .

Might come as a surprise to some people, but even before this virus came along there were a lot of people in our nation's workforce who are not healthy or have comorbidities. So unless everybody takes it seriously when it comes to social distancing and wearing masks when you can't, it's going to be hard for businesses and schools to open up and stayed manned without outbreaks. And you can't put those business-killing attitudes and behaviors on the governors of Pennsylvania and New York. The cavalier approach to fighting this virus started way back in February and was constantly reinforced for another 4 months.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

The caring thing to do is get the healthy people back to work ASAP. We're doing decades worth of damage to the economy. Not to mention mention what it's doing to the youth.

100% agree. But if we get back to "normal" work and school too soon, and in a careless manner, the house of cards will come tumbling down again. Lots of sick workers, sick consumers, sick teachers, sick students, and sick and overworked health care workers, as well as the additional dead, will not allow us to sustain a "normal" economy and education system for very long.

What is so hard about wearing a mask? Yesterday I had a young cashier at the drug store tell me that all this mask wearing may lead to a less impactful annual flu season.

I sure hope that he's right. Imagine COVID and influenza giving us a one-two punch this coming winter.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

100% agree. But if we get back to "normal" work and school too soon, and in a careless manner, the house of cards will come tumbling down again. Lots of sick workers, sick consumers, sick teachers, sick students, and sick and overworked health care workers, as well as the additional dead, will not allow us to sustain a "normal" economy and education system for very long.

What is so hard about wearing a mask? Yesterday I had a young cashier at the drug store tell me that all this mask wearing may lead to a less impactful annual flu season.

I sure hope that he's right. Imagine COVID and influenza giving us a one-two punch this coming winter.

Respiratory viruses have not cared about masks in the past.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Respiratory viruses have not cared about masks in the past.

Tell that to Dr. Ben Casey and Dr. James Kildare.





Vince Edwards and Richard Chamberlain didn't go to medical school and only played doctor characters on television, but their characters both earned M.D. degrees, and the shows had medical consultants.

They mostly wore the masks to prevent the spread of bacteria and fungi, but masks do have some effect on viruses.

For many years, scientists weren’t sure whether wearing a mask was effective at preventing the spread of viruses. However, recent studies suggest they can help. One 2013 study looked at how masks could help people with the seasonal flu limit spreading it when they exhale droplets containing the virus. Overall, researchers found masks led to a more than threefold reduction in how much virus people sprayed into the air.

Another study, analyzing data from thousands of Japanese schoolchildren, found that “vaccination and wearing a mask reduced the likelihood of developing seasonal influenza.”

Importantly, researchers also found that flu rates were lower when masks were paired with proper hand hygiene.

[SNIPERBBB]

The other thing about masks is that like vaccines, many people don't like something that only works part of the time. At best that makes it seem like a placebo and allows a false sense of security and you do things that you wouldn't do had you noybworn the masks.

If it showed 100% effectiveness, we wouldn't be having this debate. Many conservatives early on offered that if everyone wore masks and we got to keep everything running, we'd of done it. If I was really worried about the virus, I'd be looking for a gas mask or a closed system respirator but those tend to freak people out.