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[LRZ]

If Cain was healthy when he went to the Tulsa rally and became sick shortly afterwards, it is a fair, reasonable inference that he may have been infected there. Open to disagreement, but certainly not disingenuous (deceitful, dishonest) at all.

From whom do you get your medical advice? And, please, let's not descend to the level of schoolyard name-calling.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by LRZ

If Cain was healthy when he went to the Tulsa rally and became sick shortly afterwards, it is a fair, reasonable inference that he may have been infected there. Open to disagreement, but certainly not disingenuous (deceitful, dishonest) at all.

No, it isn't a reasonable inference, at least not any more than the dozen other places he may have been in the week or two prior to becoming sick. Where did he have dinner the day before he left for the rally? Where did he buy his groceries the day after he returned??

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, it isn't a reasonable inference, at least not any more than the dozen other places he may have been in the week or two prior to becoming sick. Where did he have dinner the day before he left for the rally? Where did he buy his groceries the day after he returned??

The inference is that he did not take it seriously or as a threat to his health and the health of others. He did not wear a mask there, he likely did not wear one any other place where people were around. We will never know exactly the place, but we know he went to a rally and wore nothing and openly thought it was not something to worry about (social media Tweets, even after he died ).

So if he got sick not taking it seriously, there are likely others that have been in the same situation and have died. Actually there are people in some positions that openly said it was not a big deal, later to find out they died too.

Peace

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, it isn't a reasonable inference, at least not any more than the dozen other places he may have been in the week or two prior to becoming sick. Where did he have dinner the day before he left for the rally? Where did he buy his groceries the day after he returned??

It is reasonable, perhaps not the only one, but one possibility among a number. Or he might have been exposed and infected on several of those occasions. But if he were mask-less in those other venues as well, the point is made, regardless.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, it isn't a reasonable inference, at least not any more than the dozen other places he may have been in the week or two prior to becoming sick. Where did he have dinner the day before he left for the rally? Where did he buy his groceries the day after he returned??

I've been going to grocery stores on a regular basis since the pandemic started. I've been going to restaurants since the end of May. In both of those situations I am easily able to socially distance myself. Cain was not socially distancing himself at the convention, nor were an overwhelming majority of the people who attended, not to mention no other activity he did prior or after would have him around that many people at one time in one space. So no, it is not reasonable nor intellectually honest to state his chances to have caught it at the Tulsa rally were not greater than at other venues, businesses, or facilities.

[ChuckS]

Also the time of exposure is very important. Time spent at the rally was way more than time spent at a supermarket.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

Also the time of exposure is very important. Time spent at the rally was way more than time spent at a supermarket.

Exactly. I have also been to many restaurants and not once was I next to anyone but my wife or son on a regular basis. Not had the virus symptoms and my wife is a medical worker that spends many days with virus patients.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've been going to grocery stores on a regular basis since the pandemic started. I've been going to restaurants since the end of May. In both of those situations I am easily able to socially distance myself. Cain was not socially distancing himself at the convention, nor were an overwhelming majority of the people who attended, not to mention no other activity he did prior or after would have him around that many people at one time in one space. So no, it is not reasonable nor intellectually honest to state his chances to have caught it at the Tulsa rally were not greater than at other venues, businesses, or facilities.

You're assuming what else he did or did not do in the days before an after the rally. Unless you know something I don't, you can't make any claim that it was more likely from the rally. Maybe he visited a nursing home in NYC.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You're assuming what else he did or did not do in the days before an after the rally. Unless you know something I don't, you can't make any claim that it was more likely from the rally. Maybe he visited a nursing home in NYC.

Again, I'll go back to intellectual integrity. If the most likely answer doesn't fit a certain narrative (usually political), otherwise intelligent people suspend their ingrained powers of logic, reason, and deduction for that particular subject. And I didn't know nursing homes were allowing visitors. That's news to me and the people I know who have had relatives die in nursing homes without any loved ones allowed to visit during the pandemic.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

That news to me and the people I know who have had relatives die in nursing homes without any loved ones allowed to visit during the pandemic.

My wife works in nursing homes and it is true that they are off-limits to the public. They have not been allowed to have visitors for months.

Again this is a political position to try to act like they could have got it anywhere when this is not the point. The point is that he took a position that was not much or any threat and he died of the thing that he felt was not a threat. And all we can comment on is what he was doing in a very specific situation where there was no social distancing and no attempt to wear a mask. So to bring this back to sports, the time someone would spend at a rally is similar you would spend at a game. And if it was "full" like the Trump suggested and we have that kind of crowd in close proximity, we can at least at his point say we do not know what might happen if we go totally back to normal.

Peace

[Stat-Man]

Today, I learned the primary middle school league for which I officiate fall girls basketball has opted to cancel all fall sports over logistical concerns. There's no word on whether the two adjoining middle school leagues may cancel as well, but I'm suspecting they may also follow suit. So, I have some time until the winter season to prepare and plan.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Again, I'll go back to intellectual integrity. If the most likely answer doesn't fit a certain narrative (usually political), otherwise intelligent people suspend their ingrained powers of logic, reason, and deduction for that particular subject. And I didn't know nursing homes were allowing visitors. That's news to me and the people I know who have had relatives die in nursing homes without any loved ones allowed to visit during the pandemic.

Intellectual integrity suggests you don't just assume it must be what you're prefer the explanation to be without any evidence whatsoever other than conjecture.