Help with Ruling on Fight/Forfeit

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I have a real situation I need to rule on and want some input.

If there is a fight in which all players from both teams are DQ'd such that there is no one left to play on either team, what is the ruling? Double forfeit? Score at the of the time of the fight determine the winner?

What if one or both teams had a few players left (2 or more) but the officials ended the game at that point anyway?

Camron:

I know that we are payed the big dollars to make these sort of decisions but it is my humble opinion that in both of the cases that you described I would suspend the game, file a game report with the StateHSAA and let people in pay grades far above mine settle the situation.

MTD, Sr.

[ilyazhito]

I had a similar situation last Friday, but it was more clear-cut, because all players from the home team were ejected for fighting, all visiting players were ejected for fighting, but 3 team members from the visiting team remained on the bench. All home team members left the bench during the fight, so they had no eligible team members remaining. Since the only team with eligible team members was the visiting team, I ruled that they won by forfeit. (Rule 3-1-1-NOTE, Rule 5-4-1).

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I had a similar situation last Friday, but it was more clear-cut, because all players from the home team were ejected for fighting, all visiting players were ejected for fighting, but 3 team members from the visiting team remained on the bench. All home team members left the bench during the fight, so they had no eligible team members remaining. Since the only team with eligible team members was the visiting team, I ruled that they won by forfeit. (Rule 3-1-1-NOTE, Rule 5-4-1).

Is it just me, or do weird occurrences have an uncanny propensity to find their way into the games you work?


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[ilyazhito]

Yes, weird things do happen in my games. I had multiple intentional fouls in the games I worked yesterday, plus a technical foul for flopping. Maybe these weird situations are a test for me .

[bob jenkins]

I am reminded of the saying: Third-world plays happen to third-world officials.

I am NOT saying it's true all the time, or applies to anyone in this thread -- but I've found it worth considering when these plays happen.

[BillyMac]

Forty years. Never had a fight. Never had multiple intentional fouls.

I'm having a charmed officiating career.

Boring, but charmed.

On the other hand:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... middle school game ... Just in the past two weeks: Ball stuck between backboard and ring (coach jumps to get it loose and misses), jumper catches ball before the ball touches floor or nonjumpers, illegal numbers (two games), backcourt with only ponytail over division line, coach comes onto court to check injured player (best player) and has to use his last timeout near the end of a one point game, tape over earrings, intentional foul (for no rhyme or reason), player attempts shot at wrong basket (misses), and six players on court (like a hockey line change).

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I am reminded of the saying: Third-world plays happen to third-world officials.

I am NOT saying it's true all the time, or applies to anyone in this thread -- but I've found it worth considering when these plays happen.

100% agree.

[ilyazhito]

Not sure what that means. I do work some games in inner-city and majority black schools, so that may account for some odd occurences.