back court?

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... the throw-in location is irrelevant to any rulings.

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

While all good officials know that, ignorant fans are more likely to comment when a throwin comes from the frontcourt endline (deflected or not) than when it comes from the frontcourt sideline (deflected or not)....

Not just fans. This exact situation happened to me last weekend in a JV game. I was T, A has a throw-in from their frontcourt endline, girl passes the ball to A2 in the frontcourt, who tips it and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 then retrieves and I do nothing. All of a sudden, the L from the endline blows the whistle and calls the backcourt violation. I admit, I wasn't 100% sure but upon conferring I said there was no possession so no violation but L and C were adamant, so we stuck with the call. In the locker room after the game, the varsity officials who were there agreed with them, with one essentially castigating me for not getting it.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by scrounge

Not just fans. This exact situation happened to me last weekend in a JV game. I was T, A has a throw-in from their frontcourt endline, girl passes the ball to A2 in the frontcourt, who tips it and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 then retrieves and I do nothing. All of a sudden, the L from the endline blows the whistle and calls the backcourt violation. I admit, I wasn't 100% sure but upon conferring I said there was no possession so no violation but L and C were adamant, so we stuck with the call. In the locker room after the game, the varsity officials who were there agreed with them, with one essentially castigating me for not getting it.

Wow! Perhaps if your local association has a website where you can post questions you can get the correct answer posted by your interpreter. Or, send the play to D.M. for him to post on his plays of the week.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by scrounge

JV game. I was T, A has a throw-in from their frontcourt endline, girl passes the ball to A2 in the frontcourt, who tips it and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 then retrieves and I do nothing. All of a sudden, the L from the endline blows the whistle and calls the backcourt violation ... upon conferring I said there was no possession so no violation but L and C were adamant, so we stuck with the call. In the locker room after the game, the varsity officials who were there agreed with them ...

So, in essence, five out of six officials at the site, including all three varsity officials, kicked the call.

Wow! Unbelievable.

I wonder if they would have came up with the same interpretation on a sideline frontcourt throwin?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... unfortunately there are a few officials out there who don't know if the basketball is stuffed or inflated.

Maybe there truly is a need for the such a location statement on my List of Misunderstood Basketball Rules:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

During a throwin, even under a team’s own basket, if the throwin is deflected, tipped, or batted, by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; ... these are not backcourt violations.

Originally Posted by Raymond

... the throw-in location is irrelevant to any rulings.

Irrelevant? Yes, but probably needed.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by billyu2

Wow! Perhaps if your local association has a website where you can post questions you can get the correct answer posted by your interpreter. Or, send the play to D.M. for him to post on his plays of the week.

First part already done, good suggestion on the second

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by scrounge

Not just fans. This exact situation happened to me last weekend in a JV game. I was T, A has a throw-in from their frontcourt endline, girl passes the ball to A2 in the frontcourt, who tips it and the ball goes into the backcourt. A2 then retrieves and I do nothing. All of a sudden, the L from the endline blows the whistle and calls the backcourt violation. I admit, I wasn't 100% sure but upon conferring I said there was no possession so no violation but L and C were adamant, so we stuck with the call. In the locker room after the game, the varsity officials who were there agreed with them, with one essentially castigating me for not getting it.

Ouch! That’s more than disappointing.

[LRZ]

scrounge's example is an interesting scenario in several respects:
(1) Teamwork: the L taking a violation call from the T (this might be debatable);
(2) Judgment: whether the tip constituted possession (refs can disagree and reach different conclusions on this); and
(3) Rule: whether it was indeed a violation if no possession (should be no room for argument).