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The_Rookie Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:21pm

Foul after made basket
 
A1 makes a basket and as the ball is coming through the net and hits the floor and before B1 has the ball for the throw in, A2 bumps into B2 and B2 hits the ground.

Is this considered a Common foul or a dead ball contact Tech?

Is it a dead ball period after the made basket but before the throw in?

NFHS and NCAA W rules...

Thanks!

BillyMac Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:38pm

Possible Dead Ball Contact Technical Foul ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1036779)
A1 makes a basket and as the ball is coming through the net and hits the floor and before B1 has the ball for the throw in, A2 bumps into B2 and B2 hits the ground.

It's a dead ball so ignore contact unless it's intentional or flagrant, in which case it would be a dead ball contact technical foul.

NFHS

6-1-2-B: The ball becomes live when: On a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower.

6-7-1: The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when: A goal is made.

4-19-Note: Contact after the ball has become dead is incidental unless it is
ruled intentional or flagrant or is committed by or on an airborne shooter.

4-19-5-C: A technical foul is: An intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead, except
a foul by an airborne shooter.

Camron Rust Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:39pm

Dead ball once the ball is through the net. It remains dead until the throw-in begins (typically when B has the ball and is OOB for a throwin).

The contact during this interval can not be personal. If it is such that during a live ball it would have intentional or flagrant, then you call a technical. If it does not rise to that level, it is ignored.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1036779)

NCAA W rules...

Thanks!

Personal foul under NCAAW. I agree with the above (ignored or T) for NFHS.

BillyMac Thu Jan 16, 2020 02:22pm

Technical Foul ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1036780)
It's a dead ball so ignore contact unless it's intentional or flagrant, in which case it would be a dead ball contact technical foul.

NFHS: If you do choose to rule an intentional foul, or a flagrant foul, it would be a dead ball contact technical foul, and remember that it's a technical foul so any player on the Team B can shoot the two free throw for the technical and the throwin is made by Team B at the division line opposite the table (even if it's ruled an intentional foul).

Raymond Thu Jan 16, 2020 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1036779)
A1 makes a basket and as the ball is coming through the net and hits the floor and before B1 has the ball for the throw in, A2 bumps into B2 and B2 hits the ground.

Is this considered a Common foul or a dead ball contact Tech?

Is it a dead ball period after the made basket but before the throw in?

NFHS and NCAA W rules...

Thanks!

Was the bump accidental? Was the contact severe or excessive?

SC Official Thu Jan 16, 2020 04:11pm

When the ball is dead you can never have a personal foul (with one rare exception) under NFHS (or NCAA-M, for completeness' sake).

BillyMac Thu Jan 16, 2020 05:49pm

You're A Tease ...
 
I knew girls like you in high school.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1036788)
When the ball is dead you can never have a personal foul (with one rare exception) under NFHS ...

I'm intrigued. Go on ...

Raymond Thu Jan 16, 2020 09:16pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1036791)
I knew girls like you in high school.







I'm intrigued. Go on ...

Foul on or against an airborne shooter after a goaltend or basket interference.

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Camron Rust Thu Jan 16, 2020 09:31pm

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1036799)
Foul on or against an airborne shooter after a goaltend or basket interference.

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Simpler than that.

Foul on or against an airborne shooter after the ball is dead (for whatever reason). You have a dead ball with an airborne shooter for at least a moment on almost all successful dunks.

Raymond Thu Jan 16, 2020 09:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1036801)
Simpler than that.

Foul on or against an airborne shooter after the ball is dead (for whatever reason). You have a dead ball with an airborne shooter for at least a moment on almost all successful dunks.

True. I just threw out the first thing immediately came to mine

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BillyMac Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:34am

With Rare Exception ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1036799)
Foul on or against an airborne shooter after a goaltend or basket interference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1036801)
Foul on or against an airborne shooter after the ball is dead (for whatever reason). You have a dead ball with an airborne shooter for at least a moment on almost all successful dunks.

I thought it had something to do with an airborne shooter, but I couldn't pull the trigger.

Here are two more "rare exception" situations:

A player must be holding the ball (with rare exception) in order to travel.

A player who has been replaced, or directed to leave the game, shall not reenter (with rare exception) before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his, or her, replacement.

BillyMac Thu Jan 23, 2020 01:33pm

I'll Take Rare Exceptions for $200 Alex ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1036818)
Here are two more "rare exception" situations:

A player must be holding the ball (with rare exception) in order to travel.

A player who has been replaced, or directed to leave the game, shall not reenter (with rare exception) before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his, or her, replacement.

I didn't think that is was necessary for me to put these in the form of a question.

Anybody know either, or both, of these "rare exception" situations?

First correct answers will be rewarded handsomely.

Raymond Thu Jan 23, 2020 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1037017)
I didn't think that is was necessary for me to put these in the form of a question.

Anybody know either, or both, of these "rare exception" situations?

First correct answers will be rewarded handsomely.

I thought we covered the OP's scenario between my specific example and Camron's broader response?

Why would we be assuming you're giving us a test? I thought you were providing examples of "rare exceptions" unrelated to the OP's question. Are you saying you were asking us because you didn't know, but you forgot the question marks? Or are we testing on the definition of "rare exception"?

You've left me confused again.

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BillyMac Thu Jan 23, 2020 02:05pm

Handsomely ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1037018)
You've left me confused again.

Just a little quiz for fun (and the continued education of Forum young'uns).

Remember, one will be rewarded handsomely.


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