Dislodging the Ball from the Thrower's Hands, but...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think it does suggest a DOG warning would be issued. Being out of bounds is completely penetrating the OOB plane.

A well thought out opinion, but check the wording, the defender had already penetrated the boundary plane well before the thrown started, he didn't penetrate it (from inbounds to out of bounds) during the actual thrown.

Other than strike the ball from the inbounder's hands, thus delaying and interfering with the throwin (for which he was charged with a technical foul), he did nothing wrong, his momentum carried him off the court, it is not a violation for a player to unintentionally leave the court, and after being legally out of bounds he was expected to not delay in returning back inbounds.

10-4-10: A player shall not: Reach through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touch or -
dislodge the ball as in 9-2 Penalty 3.

9-2-10-Penalties:
1. The first violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane by an
opponent(s) of the thrower shall result in a team warning for delay
being given (one delay warning per team per game). The warning does
not result in the loss of the opportunity to move along the end line
when and if applicable.
2. The second or additional violations will result in a technical foul
assessed to the offending team.
3. If an opponent(s) reaches through the throw-in boundary-line plane
and touches or dislodges the ball while in possession of the thrower or
being passed to a teammate outside the boundary line a technical foul
shall be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required.
4. If an opponent(s) contacts the thrower, an intentional personal foul
shall be charged to the offender. No warning for delay required.

9.2.10 SITUATION A: A1 is out of bounds for a throw-in. B1 reaches through the boundary plane and knocks the ball out of A1’s hands. Team B has not been warned previously for a throw-in plane infraction. RULING: B1 is charged with a technical foul and it also results in the official having a team warning recorded and reported to the head coach.

10.4.10 SITUATION C: Team A scores near the end of the fourth quarter and is trailing by one point. B1 has the ball and is moving along the end line to make the throw-in. A2 steps out of bounds and fouls B1. Is the foul personal or technical? RULING: This is an intentional personal foul. The time remaining to be played or whether Team A had been previously warned for a delay-of-game situation is not a -factor. If the team had not been warned, the foul constitutes the warning. (4-19-1; 9-2-10 Penalty 4)

[bob jenkins]

I would not use the case play to address the OP. The end result might be the same, but I think the highlighted part of the case play is meant for the (normal / usual) situations where B is inbounds and A is out of bounds.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... meant for the (normal / usual) situations ...

Freddy certainly has a propensity for coming up with abnormal, unusual, and/or rare situations.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Freddy certainly has a propensity for coming up with abnormal, unusual, and/or rare situations.

Never seen Freddy's play, but I have seen a player whose momentum carried him OOB on a made lay-up reach through the boundary line in the opposite direction in an attempt to deflect the throw-in. What would we have if the player who was already OOB does tip the throw-in?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I have seen a player whose momentum carried him OOB on a made lay-up reach through the boundary line in the opposite direction in an attempt to deflect the throw-in. What would we have if the player who was already OOB does tip the throw-in?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... a player whose momentum carried him OOB on a made lay-up reach through the boundary line in the opposite direction in an attempt to deflect the throw-in. What would we have if the player who was already OOB does tip the throw-in?

Player's momentum carries him off the court. Legal, it is not a violation for a player to unintentionally leave the court.

Player, after being legally out of bounds does not delay and attempts to return back inbounds. Legal.

Player, whose hands are now on the inbounds side of the boundary plane (if this was the case, hard to tell from the earlier post), tips the throwin pass after the ball has been released on a throwin pass, and while the ball is on the inbounds side of the boundary plane (if this was the case, hard to tell from the earlier post). Legal.

Confucius says, "If it ain't illegal, it's legal".

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Player's momentum carries him off the court. Legal, it is not a violation for a player to unintentionally leave the court.



Player, after being legally out of bounds does not delay and attempts to return back inbounds. Legal.



Player, whose hands are now on the inbounds side of the boundary plane (if this was the case, hard to tell from the earlier post), tips the throwin pass after the ball has been released on a throwin pass, and while the ball is on the inbounds side of the boundary plane (if this was the case, hard to tell from the earlier post). Legal.



Confucius says, "If it ain't illegal, it's legal".

It would be legal for a player who is standing out of bounds to touch the ball?

When you say legal, do you mean that it's not delay or tech worthy?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

It would be legal for a player who is standing out of bounds to touch the ball?

This would present problem that one probably can't finagle around: The opponent(s) of the thrower shall not have any part of his/her person through the inbounds side of the throw-in boundary-line plane until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass.

Originally Posted by Raymond

When you say legal, do you mean that it's not delay or tech worthy?

I definitely can't say that with any degree of certainty. Both Raymond's situation and Freddy's situation are really odd situations, both are probably violations, or technical fouls, or warnings, but part of me wants to give the kid who is out a bounds a break for his hustle.