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Fighting and Flagrant
In order to classify an act as fighting do you need at least 2 participants?
For example, we know that kicking an opponent is considered an act of fighting. But what if A1 kicks B1 after both go to floor for loose ball and B1 does not react in anyway... Is this just considered a Flagrant Foul because of the kick and not classified as fighting? How does this impact the throw in location? NFHS rule set. Thanks! |
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4-18 Fighting is a flagrant act and can occur when the ball is dead or live.
Fighting includes, but is not limited to combative acts such as: ART. 1 An attempt to strike, punch or kick by using a fist, hands, arms, legs or feet regardless of whether contact is made. ART. 2 An attempt to instigate a fight by committing an unsporting act that causes a person to retaliate by fighting. One player can fight (Article 1).
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Fighting and Flagrant
Happened to me in a game three years ago. Common foul at the division line, both players spilled. The foulee got mad, attempted to kick the fouler while both were on the floor. He didn’t actually make contact, and the person he tried to kick didn’t react at all.
Didn’t matter. I DQ’d him all the same. Flagrant technical for fighting (dead ball foul). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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What's the difference? (a serious question for the self-described rookie).
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It is classified as fighting. Any attempt to strike another person in a combative manner is considered fighting, whether it makes contact or not.
If one person attempts to strike another without a reaction from the other person, it is a fight, and the person attempting to strike another would be ejected. This is how, by rule, you can have a fight with only one person. |
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Just A Guess ...
Just a guess, maybe this state association has more serious consequences for "fighting" versus a "regular" flagrant foul.
Again, just a guess.
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Is This A True Statement ???
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4-18 Fighting is a flagrant act and can occur when the ball is dead or live. Fighting includes, but is not limited to combative acts such as: ART. 1 An attempt to strike, punch or kick by using a fist, hands, arms, legs or feet regardless of whether contact is made. ART. 2 An attempt to instigate a fight by committing an unsporting act that causes a person to retaliate by fighting. 4-19-4: A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical foul of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. It may or may not be intentional. If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing. If technical, it involves dead-ball contact or noncontact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive conduct. Fighting is a flagrant act.
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Spitballing ...
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But again, I was just guessing about the reason for the distinction between flagrant and fighting, as asked in the original post. Or maybe it was a written test question issue?
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Was It Dennis Quaid ???
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Does he plan to return to the Forum with a followup post? Maybe his computer crashed?
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Maybe he has a life. After all, this is a holiday weekend.
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This is a very valid observation. NFHS Rules do not automatically classify Taunting as a FTF but it is at least a TF. The MichiganHSAA has for years adopted a MichiganHSAA rule that all Taunting Fouls as FTFs. While the OhioHSAA has no such additional State adoption. Years ago, in a MichiganHSAA game, I had a player commit, what would would haven been a non-FTF Taunting Foul in OhioHSAA or FloridaHSAA but had to charge it as a FTF. The Player's HC was not happy and neither was the MichiganHSAA administrator who questioned my FTF after reading my Game Report, even he did not know the MichiganHSAA rule. MTD, Sr.
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