And We Complain About Being Fashion Police!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bucky

A facility like that and there were not any other white jerseys? There needs to be a review of accommodations as far as the rule is concerned. That's one thing about NFHS, find some garbage shirt left in the local locker room to use as spirit of the game precludes anything else.

For NFHS, the team wouldn’t forfeit. The coach would simply take a technical foul for allowing the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded and game would go on.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For NFHS, the team wouldn’t forfeit. The coach would simply take a technical foul for allowing the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded and game would go on.

Good point Nevadaref.

[Stat-Man]

For anyone that can't view the original link for any reason, here is an archive copy:

Pan American Games: Argentina wears wrong uniform, forfeits game

I can see how this rule might work for elite/pro teams that play under FIBA rules, but I'm trying to figure out why Argentina didn't have their white uniforms with them . Most teams I've known tell their players to always have both sets of uniforms just in case.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

For NFHS, the team wouldn’t forfeit. The coach would simply take a technical foul for allowing the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded and game would go on.

That is the case whereby jersey colors are different enough. In the case of 2 teams having the same colored jerseys, I disagree. (wasn't that what happened in OP? I wasn't gonna wait for the page to reload again with all the ads). The intent of contrasting jerseys is to distinguish opponents. Without that ability, how could the game be officiated? Ergo, we have BM's remark. With hope, the home team could scramble to switch jerseys. Surely they would have pinnies, etc.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

That is the case whereby jersey colors are different enough. In the case of 2 teams having the same colored jerseys ... The intent of contrasting jerseys is to distinguish opponents. Without that ability, how could the game be officiated?

NFHS high school game. No rule that says it's a forfeit. As Nevadaref pointed out, the coach would simply take the technical foul for the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded.

After that, we'd figure it out.

Home team gets their reversible practice jerseys from the locker room. Maybe different color numbers on the jerseys (I've worked Catholic middle school games like this, both dark blue jerseys, one team white numbers, other team gold numbers, white versus gold). One team wears jersey inside out. Giant taped X's on jerseys of one team. Shirts versus skins. Players raise hands for fouls (like in ancient times).

Get the coaches, athletic director (site manager) together, possibly with my assignment commissioner on the phone, and we'd figure it out. Maybe it won't be perfect, but we'd figure it out enough for there to be a game that night.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bucky

That is the case whereby jersey colors are different enough. In the case of 2 teams having the same colored jerseys, I disagree. .

What NFHS supports your disagreement? You have no basis for a forfeit.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You have no basis for a forfeit.

Agree. The penalty for illegal uniforms is spelled out in the book.

It may be difficult to officiate and, if there is a close OOB play where it is hard to tell which team hit it last, I just might default to the team that wore the correct jerseys, but it isn't going to be a forfeit.

[SC Official]

If two teams show up with the same color uniforms to my game and one team can’t find another color to wear, I won’t declare a forfeit, but I’m not officiating it, either. I’m leaving and letting the state decide what to do. Maybe that wouldn’t be acceptable in some areas, but here it would be.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SC Official

If two teams show up with the same color uniforms to my game and one team can’t find another color to wear, I won’t declare a forfeit, but I’m not officiating it, either. I’m leaving and letting the state decide what to do. Maybe that wouldn’t be acceptable in some areas, but here it would be.

This really isn't all that much different than illegal numbers, ruleswise.

Find a way to make it work....number colors, trim colors, something. It isn't ideal, but this doesn't rise to the level of not playing the game.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

This really isn't all that much different than illegal numbers, ruleswise.

Find a way to make it work....number colors, trim colors, something. It isn't ideal, but this doesn't rise to the level of not playing the game.

If it doesn't rise to that level in your area, fine.

I've officiated a game before where the home team wore white and the road team wore light gray. It was a mess; at halftime the home team decided to switch into their black uniforms they magically remembered were available.

We would not be expected to play here if the teams had indiscernible jerseys. But we wouldn't declare a forfeit, either.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

If two teams show up with the same color uniforms to my game and one team can’t find another color to wear, I won’t declare a forfeit, but I’m not officiating it, either. I’m leaving and letting the state decide what to do.

I get it. When in Rome …

But you would leave the site and let the state figure it out afterward?

How about getting the coaches together with the athletic director (site manager) and make a few phone calls before leaving the site?

Maybe get your assigner's opinion before leaving the site?

If nothing else, there's always the shirts versus skins option to consider.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... if there is a close OOB play where it is hard to tell which team hit it last, I just might default to the team that wore the correct jerseys ...

No. Ask for help, or go with a held ball. Rules is rules.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

A Canadian basketball officiating friend of told me of a women's college game that he had years and years ago (in the 1990s). I shall not name the Canadian college nor who its European opponent was. None the less, the Visitors had brought their White jerseys to the game site. The Home went and got its Dark jerseys for the Visitors to change into. Rather than go to the locker room to change jerseys, they changed court side. As they changed the air was sucked completely out of the gym because some of the players were not wearing bras, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

A Canadian basketball officiating friend of told me of a women's college game that he had years and years ago. I shall not name the Canadian college nor who its European opponent was. None the less, the Visitors had brought their White jerseys to the game site. The Home went and got its Dark jerseys for the Visitors to change into. Rather than go to the locker room to change jerseys, they changed court side. As they changed the air was sucked completely out of the gym because some of the players were not wearing bras ...

Back in my coaching days, I would coach at an overnight girls camp every summer.

Camp was run by a very successful old fashioned older male coach. Every time the girls would reverse their reversible camp jerseys on the court, exposing their sports bras, he would panic and turn away.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What NFHS supports your disagreement? You have no basis for a forfeit.

2-5-4: The referee: May declare the game a forfeit when conditions warrant.
3-1-1-Note: When there is only one player participating for a team, the
team shall forfeit the game, unless the referee believes that team has an
opportunity to win the game.
5-4-1: The referee shall forfeit the game if a team refuses to play after
being instructed to do so by any official. The referee may also forfeit a
game if any player, team member, bench personnel or coach fails to comply
with any technical-foul penalty, or repeatedly commits technical-foul
infractions or other acts which make a travesty of the game. If the team to
which the game is forfeited is ahead, the score at the time of forfeiture shall
stand. If this team is not ahead, the score shall be recorded as 2-0 in its
favor.
10-5-Penalty Note: Failure to comply with the rules of ejection may result in the game being forfeited.
10-6-Penalty Note: Failure to comply with the rules of ejection may result in the game being forfeited.

3.1.1 SITUATION: After six players have been disqualified, Team A has only four who are eligible to continue in the game as players. In a gesture of fair play, the coach of Team B indicates a desire to withdraw a player so that each team will have four players on the court. RULING: This is not permissible. Team B must have five players participating as long as it has that number available. If no substitute is available, a team must continue with fewer than five players. When only one player remains to participate, that team shall forfeit the game unless the referee believes this team still has an opportunity to win the game.

5.4.1 SITUATION A: A1 commits his/her fifth personal foul. Both the head coach and player are properly notified. Team A has substitutes available but the head coach from Team A does not send a substitute to the table within the 20-second time limit. The Team A head coach is assessed a technical foul. The head coach still does not send a substitute to the table. RULING: The official should forfeit the contest to the opposing team for the head coach delaying the contest and attempting to make a travesty of the game. COMMENT: The referee may forfeit a game if any player, team member, bench personnel or coach fails to comply with any technical foul penalty.

5.4.1 SITUATION B: The covering official rules a double foul on the post player and opponent after both push and shove each other. It is the fifth foul on each player. Some spectators in the crowd react vocally in a negative manner while others throw paper cups, etc., on the floor. The entire crowd seems to be in a hostile mood. What should the officials do? RULING: The officials must ask game -management or home management to control the spectators. The officials have authority to charge a technical foul(s) if it can be determined which team’s spectators are involved. However, much discretion is necessary in this case and the officials must be aware that a technical foul(s) on spectators usually leads to even more problems. COMMENT: The game should not be forfeited to either team because of the action of spectators. If game or home management cannot restore order by removal or other means, the officials are authorized to suspend play. The game would then be continued from the point of interruption, unless the teams agree to terminate the game with the existing score, or there are conference, league or state association rules which apply.