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Old Fri Aug 09, 2019, 04:49pm
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I missed this game in the Pan-American games and while I have not been a USA Basketball Referee since 2005, I still stay up on the FIBA Rules but I missed this Rule.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...form/39929525/

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P.S. This occurred before the start of the Argentina (Home) vs. Columbia (Visitor) game.
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Old Fri Aug 09, 2019, 05:47pm
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I am sure the 5 people at the game and the 3 people hoping to watch on tv were devastated.
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Old Fri Aug 09, 2019, 08:47pm
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I donít understand why a team of that calibre would somehow not have their alternate jerseys with them at all times. It canít be that much of a space concern.
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Old Fri Aug 09, 2019, 09:31pm
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I donít understand why a team of that calibre would somehow not have their alternate jerseys with them at all times. It canít be that much of a space concern.


I agree with you 100%.

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Old Sat Aug 10, 2019, 09:51pm
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A facility like that and there were not any other white jerseys? There needs to be a review of accommodations as far as the rule is concerned. That's one thing about NFHS, find some garbage shirt left in the local locker room to use as spirit of the game precludes anything else.
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Old Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:24am
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A facility like that and there were not any other white jerseys? There needs to be a review of accommodations as far as the rule is concerned. That's one thing about NFHS, find some garbage shirt left in the local locker room to use as spirit of the game precludes anything else.
For NFHS, the team wouldnít forfeit. The coach would simply take a technical foul for allowing the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded and game would go on.
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Old Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:20am
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For NFHS, the team wouldnít forfeit. The coach would simply take a technical foul for allowing the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded and game would go on.
Good point Nevadaref.
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Old Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:03pm
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Pan American Games: Argentina wears wrong uniform, forfeits game

I can see how this rule might work for elite/pro teams that play under FIBA rules, but I'm trying to figure out why Argentina didn't have their white uniforms with them . Most teams I've known tell their players to always have both sets of uniforms just in case.
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Old Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:00pm
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For NFHS, the team wouldnít forfeit. The coach would simply take a technical foul for allowing the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded and game would go on.
That is the case whereby jersey colors are different enough. In the case of 2 teams having the same colored jerseys, I disagree. (wasn't that what happened in OP? I wasn't gonna wait for the page to reload again with all the ads). The intent of contrasting jerseys is to distinguish opponents. Without that ability, how could the game be officiated? Ergo, we have BM's remark. With hope, the home team could scramble to switch jerseys. Surely they would have pinnies, etc.
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Old Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:20am
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That is the case whereby jersey colors are different enough. In the case of 2 teams having the same colored jerseys ... The intent of contrasting jerseys is to distinguish opponents. Without that ability, how could the game be officiated?
NFHS high school game. No rule that says it's a forfeit. As Nevadaref pointed out, the coach would simply take the technical foul for the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded.

After that, we'd figure it out.

Home team gets their reversible practice jerseys from the locker room. Maybe different color numbers on the jerseys (I've worked Catholic middle school games like this, both dark blue jerseys, one team white numbers, other team gold numbers, white versus gold). One team wears jersey inside out. Giant taped X's on jerseys of one team. Shirts versus skins. Players raise hands for fouls (like in ancient times).

Get the coaches, athletic director (site manager) together, possibly with my assignment commissioner on the phone, and we'd figure it out. Maybe it won't be perfect, but we'd figure it out enough for there to be a game that night.

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Old Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:06am
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That is the case whereby jersey colors are different enough. In the case of 2 teams having the same colored jerseys, I disagree. .
What NFHS supports your disagreement? You have no basis for a forfeit.
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Old Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:22pm
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You have no basis for a forfeit.
Agree. The penalty for illegal uniforms is spelled out in the book.

It may be difficult to officiate and, if there is a close OOB play where it is hard to tell which team hit it last, I just might default to the team that wore the correct jerseys, but it isn't going to be a forfeit.
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Old Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:56pm
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If two teams show up with the same color uniforms to my game and one team canít find another color to wear, I wonít declare a forfeit, but Iím not officiating it, either. Iím leaving and letting the state decide what to do. Maybe that wouldnít be acceptable in some areas, but here it would be.
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Old Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:29pm
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If two teams show up with the same color uniforms to my game and one team canít find another color to wear, I wonít declare a forfeit, but Iím not officiating it, either. Iím leaving and letting the state decide what to do. Maybe that wouldnít be acceptable in some areas, but here it would be.
This really isn't all that much different than illegal numbers, ruleswise.

Find a way to make it work....number colors, trim colors, something. It isn't ideal, but this doesn't rise to the level of not playing the game.
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Old Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:12pm
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This really isn't all that much different than illegal numbers, ruleswise.

Find a way to make it work....number colors, trim colors, something. It isn't ideal, but this doesn't rise to the level of not playing the game.
If it doesn't rise to that level in your area, fine.

I've officiated a game before where the home team wore white and the road team wore light gray. It was a mess; at halftime the home team decided to switch into their black uniforms they magically remembered were available.

We would not be expected to play here if the teams had indiscernible jerseys. But we wouldn't declare a forfeit, either.
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