Gonzaga-Tech Vid. Req.

[thedewed]

actually, ball was dead when thrower in was hit on the arm. so
T Tech rightfully got to select the FT shooter. I think.

[Fuelrider]

Originally Posted by thedewed

actually, ball was dead when thrower in was hit on the arm. so
T Tech rightfully got to select the FT shooter. I think.

dewed if you read any of the other posts it's not a dead ball T unless he hits the ball. He hit the arm which in NFHS is an intentional foul 2 shots and the ball at POI. In NCAA it should've been ruled a common foul for making contact with the thrower then upgraded to a Flagrant 1. Which means Mooney would've been the one shooting. But even if the deemed it to be a tech it's a class B T which is 1 shot and the ball and whomever they choose. So either way they administered this wrong.

[thedewed]

Originally Posted by Fuelrider

dewed if you read any of the other posts it's not a dead ball T unless he hits the ball. He hit the arm which in NFHS is an intentional foul 2 shots and the ball at POI. In NCAA it should've been ruled a common foul for making contact with the thrower then upgraded to a Flagrant 1. Which means Mooney would've been the one shooting. But even if the deemed it to be a tech it's a class B T which is 1 shot and the ball and whomever they choose. So either way they administered this wrong.

I don't think that's right. foul on arm in that situation, dead ball contact foul, F1, anyone can shoot. Not positive but I'm pretty sure that's right based on reading the book. That's why I'm bringing it up for a revisit. Because everyone weighing in so far may be wrong.
Actually I'm not sure. F1 personal contact foul include contact with player making the throw in, but Class A tech includes unnecessary , excessive nature. I suppose the better interpretation is the player that got fouled shoots, that is more direct language.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by thedewed

I don't think that's right. foul on arm in that situation, dead ball contact foul, F1, anyone can shoot. Not positive but I'm pretty sure that's right based on reading the book. That's why I'm bringing it up for a revisit. Because everyone weighing in so far may be wrong.

Actually I'm not sure. F1 personal contact foul include contact with player making the throw in, but Class A tech includes unnecessary , excessive nature. I suppose the better interpretation is the player that got fouled shoots, that is more direct language.

You are incorrect. Several have already typed the correct adjudication.

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[thedewed]

Originally Posted by Raymond

You are incorrect. Several have already typed the correct adjudication.

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Yes, w/o a citation. it is AR 82 in casebook. W/o that there is some potential for confusion as a Class A tech includes 'unecessary contact' during a dead ball, and that penalty is 2 shots by anyone.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by thedewed

Yes, w/o a citation. it is AR 82 in casebook. W/o that there is some potential for confusion as a Class A tech includes 'unecessary contact' during a dead ball, and that penalty is 2 shots by anyone.

There has never been confusion for me, especially since a throw-in is not a dead ball. You do realize some of us you are speaking to actually officiate games with NCAA rules right?

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[bucky]

Where are you getting "dead ball"? When inbounder has the ball, it is live. Foul was on arm. Higging signaled T immediately, IMO he was thinking the ball was hit. Anyway, either way, posters are correct in that it was administered incorrectly.

Hit thrower is intentional foul (NFHS) or Flagrant 1 (NCAAM). Thrower shoots 2 and they keep the ball. Hit ball is technical foul (NFHS - 2 shots, NCAAM - 1 shot). Anyone can shoot and team retains possession.

This play and the out of bounds play being discussed, will eventually be reviewable. These are two huge calls that had a tremendous impact on the game. It is only a matter of time before things like this are added to the list of reveiwable items. The player out of bounds was so obvious that only three people did not see it, the ones wearing the stripes. It is similar to the New Orleans Saints play IMO. Everyone saw the same, obvious infraction except the officials. The magnitude is not the same however.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by thedewed

I don't think that's right. foul on arm in that situation, dead ball contact foul, F1, anyone can shoot. Not positive but I'm pretty sure that's right based on reading the book. That's why I'm bringing it up for a revisit. Because everyone weighing in so far may be wrong.

Texas Tech is attempting to inbound the ball making the play "live." Contact with the inbounder is F1. Contact with the ball is a Class B Tech.

[thedewed]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Texas Tech is attempting to inbound the ball making the play "live." Contact with the inbounder is F1. Contact with the ball is a Class B Tech.

yes that's right now that you mention it. I think that was changed a few years ago from dead to live ball. Thanks,

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by thedewed

yes that's right now that you mention it. I think that was changed a few years ago from dead to live ball. Thanks,

No, it wasn't changed. This has been a live ball situation for decades (perhaps since the times of Naismith).

It has been a widely held myth that live ball means in bounds. Perhaps you were one of those believe the myth for a long time.

[thedewed]

what I'm thinking of is whether a foul on court before ball is thrown in is considered team control or not. Didn't used to be, now is I believe.