NCAAM - Inbound steal = Primary or secondary defender?

[johnny d]

This is an outnumbered fast break. Both B1 and B2 are secondary defenders. Neither can establish LGP in the RA.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by johnny d

This is an outnumbered fast break. Both B1 and B2 are secondary defenders. Neither can establish LGP in the RA.

I don't know how you came to this conclusion from the AP? Can't tell if its outnumbered and/or the defender was in the RA.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't know how you came to this conclusion from the AP? Can't tell if its outnumbered and/or the defender was in the RA.

He only mentions 3 players, so I am assuming they are the only three players involved. Unless definitions have changed, 3 is an odd number. Also, since he is asking about primary/secondary defenders, the logical inference is that the play involves the RA, otherwise, those terms are irrelevant.

[bucky]

To avoid a rabbit hole regarding the RA, I have added details to the OP. Not sure I would call this a fast break nor do I feel that this is an outnumbering situation. Once A2 gets the ball, there is no immediate defender between A2 and the basket. B1 steps inbounds and becomes a defender. Does B1 become a primary or secondary defender?

[deecee]

Lets say only A2 and B1 are involved and all other players are "behind" them on the other half of the court. What do you have?

If a primary defender has not been established how can you have a secondary defender? The only way is an uneven fast break.

[Raymond]

Rule 4 Section 36. Secondary Defender

Art. 1. A secondary defender is a teammate who has helped a primary defender after that player has been beaten by an opponent because he failed to establish or maintain a guarding position. A defensive player is beaten when the offensive player’s head and shoulders get past the defender.
Art. 2. A secondary defender is a teammate who double teams a low post player.
Art. 3. After an offensive rebound, there are no secondary defenders when the rebounder makes an immediate move to the basket.
Art. 4. In an outnumbering fast-break situation, any defensive player(s) initially shall be a secondary defender. This designation as a secondary defender shall not prevent the defender from establishing legal guarding position on an offensive player and defending that player all the way to the basket including in the Restricted Area Arc.

[Raymond]

There are no case plays that address the OP's scenario. Therefore, we have to go with the rule book definitions of a secondary defender. Does the defender in this situation meet any of the definitions from Rule 4-36?