Vid Request - Auburn vs Ole miss - Reaching out of your area

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I was having a hard time understanding the difference myself. Why is this call ok, but most were against a partner going out of their PCA on the other thread?

Is it because the official is a veteran, is respected, and no one questions him? That seems to be the unwritten rule from what I have read on the other thread. I don't know anything about this official.

I 100% agree that a low post spin away from the C is a really good look for the T. But to get that, the T has to go out of their PCA to get it.

A big difference is the openness to the play. In the other case, it was clear the T had a open look at the play. Perhaps the T just didn't see the contact that the C saw, but the T had a good position to normally make a good judgement.

When things get crowded and sight-lines get cut off, things change. That is the entire point of the principles of coverage on curl plays. The lane is usually more congested than other areas and it is easy for the "primary" official to not have a good look on some types of plays. If you know those types of plays, you'll know when it is a good idea to jump in and when it is a good idea to not jump in.

Look at your partner(s). If they have a clear look at the play and could have seen the contact and made a judgement, leave it alone if it is anything short of a non-basketball play. If you see that their view was likely blocked and it is an obvious foul, get it but do so late.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A big difference is the openness to the play. In the other case, it was clear the T had a open look at the play. Perhaps the T just didn't see the contact that the C saw, but the T had a good position to normally make a good judgement.

If you see that their view was likely blocked and it is an obvious foul, get it but do so late.

JRut had some good points and I am not trying to dispel the legitimacy of the call. It actually appeared to be a great call and was a borderline crew saver as L and C had nothing on an obvious foul.

It certainly does not indicate anywhere that L calls everything in the lane but it is indicated (officials manual) that "When the ball is not in an official's primary coverage area, that official takes all players in his area."

I reviewed all of ballgame99's posts and could not find anything that indicated T had a "clear" look. In fact, I think it was implied that ballgame99 would not have made the call had he thought T indeed had a clear look.

No doubt all have made good input and there are definitely times when reaching our of one's PCA is acceptable. A habit? No, but sometimes acceptable.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

I reviewed all of ballgame99's posts and could not find anything that indicated T had a "clear" look. In fact, I think it was implied that ballgame99 would not have made the call had he thought T indeed had a clear look.

Well he might not have had a clean look, but there was nothing in his post that said he was screened or did not see the action. Whether he had a clean look is also subjective. But he clearly said that his partner did not have a foul and had a leg kick. I did not read where the partner felt he missed the play or did not see the play.

Originally Posted by bucky

No doubt all have made good input and there are definitely times when reaching our of one's PCA is acceptable. A habit? No, but sometimes acceptable.

No one said that you cannot ever call a foul outside of your PCA, but you better be more of a dual area and should be rare.

Peace