Vid Request - Auburn vs Ole miss - Reaching out of your area

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by bucky

Not necessarily trying to argue but....

1) I did not feel it was called late but rather very quickly.

2) "It was in the lane so he would be looking there..." Why? Lane is not T's PCA, especially far lane.

Nothing wrong with call per say, guess I am just not seeing/understanding difference b/w this play and other thread. Neither of the two closest/responsible officials made the call and the farthest one away, looking outside their PCA, did.

I was having a hard time understanding the difference myself. Why is this call ok, but most were against a partner going out of their PCA on the other thread?

Is it because the official is a veteran, is respected, and no one questions him? That seems to be the unwritten rule from what I have read on the other thread. I don't know anything about this official.

I 100% agree that a low post spin away from the C is a really good look for the T. But to get that, the T has to go out of their PCA to get it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I was having a hard time understanding the difference myself. Why is this call ok, but most were against a partner going out of their PCA on the other thread?

Is it because the official is a veteran, is respected, and no one questions him? That seems to be the unwritten rule from what I have read on the other thread. I don't know anything about this official.

I 100% agree that a low post spin away from the C is a really good look for the T. But to get that, the T has to go out of their PCA to get it.

A big difference is the openness to the play. In the other case, it was clear the T had a open look at the play. Perhaps the T just didn't see the contact that the C saw, but the T had a good position to normally make a good judgement.

When things get crowded and sight-lines get cut off, things change. That is the entire point of the principles of coverage on curl plays. The lane is usually more congested than other areas and it is easy for the "primary" official to not have a good look on some types of plays. If you know those types of plays, you'll know when it is a good idea to jump in and when it is a good idea to not jump in.

Look at your partner(s). If they have a clear look at the play and could have seen the contact and made a judgement, leave it alone if it is anything short of a non-basketball play. If you see that their view was likely blocked and it is an obvious foul, get it but do so late.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A big difference is the openness to the play. In the other case, it was clear the T had a open look at the play. Perhaps the T just didn't see the contact that the C saw, but the T had a good position to normally make a good judgement.

If you see that their view was likely blocked and it is an obvious foul, get it but do so late.

JRut had some good points and I am not trying to dispel the legitimacy of the call. It actually appeared to be a great call and was a borderline crew saver as L and C had nothing on an obvious foul.

It certainly does not indicate anywhere that L calls everything in the lane but it is indicated (officials manual) that "When the ball is not in an official's primary coverage area, that official takes all players in his area."

I reviewed all of ballgame99's posts and could not find anything that indicated T had a "clear" look. In fact, I think it was implied that ballgame99 would not have made the call had he thought T indeed had a clear look.

No doubt all have made good input and there are definitely times when reaching our of one's PCA is acceptable. A habit? No, but sometimes acceptable.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

I reviewed all of ballgame99's posts and could not find anything that indicated T had a "clear" look. In fact, I think it was implied that ballgame99 would not have made the call had he thought T indeed had a clear look.

Well he might not have had a clean look, but there was nothing in his post that said he was screened or did not see the action. Whether he had a clean look is also subjective. But he clearly said that his partner did not have a foul and had a leg kick. I did not read where the partner felt he missed the play or did not see the play.

Originally Posted by bucky

No doubt all have made good input and there are definitely times when reaching our of one's PCA is acceptable. A habit? No, but sometimes acceptable.

No one said that you cannot ever call a foul outside of your PCA, but you better be more of a dual area and should be rare.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I was having a hard time understanding the difference myself. Why is this call ok, but most were against a partner going out of their PCA on the other thread?

Is it because the official is a veteran, is respected, and no one questions him? That seems to be the unwritten rule from what I have read on the other thread. I don't know anything about this official.

I 100% agree that a low post spin away from the C is a really good look for the T. But to get that, the T has to go out of their PCA to get it.

You seem to be hung up on the part of who the official is who has the primary coverage area. I would not call that foul that was in the OP as described if the official was new to the league or level. He is assigned to the game for a reason and why would I be looking there anyway? Do I have nothing else going on around me? Heck I am not going to put myself out there to call a foul that my partner clearly saw and I might not be right about. That is awful far to go. This is not in the lane where we all have eyes are on a play. I have never been told the lane only belongs to the lead BTW. Certain plays we give the Lead first crack for sure, but we do not ignore things in the lane when it is very possible certain officials on the floor have not look at a play or potential contact or even pivot feet.

I have made a kind of deal with myself about plays going away from me personally. So if the ball is going away, it better be so obvious that everyone sees it for me to even think about calling something. I posted a video of a play I was involved in where the play was going away from me. I only made that call because it was still in my primary for the most part, but I rarely make those calls anymore. Both my partners were D1 officials on that game and I do not need to do their job for them.

Peace