Vid Request: Wyoming vs UNLV - blarge?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This is a legitimate question. As someone correctly pointed out the word blarge does not appear in the rules. BUT, the word signal also does not appear in the case play which is applicable here, but rather the wording says, one official rules on thing and the other official rules the opposite. Some say that in this case making a signal constitutes making a ruling. This is a widely held point of view, but sometimes, as in your case, the question comes up as to what constitutes a signal. Also, it is my impression that some officials will avoid a blarge at ALL COSTS. Specifically, if they (properly) withhold their preliminary signal and see their partner come out quickly with the signal opposite to the one that they would have had, they will walk away from the call, no matter how strong their conviction on the play. In short, this is a mess.

You realize that the case play in question has been in the casebook for over 20 years (at least since I have been officiating). So if this was not clear, then you would think the NF or the NCAA or both would change their language to reflect the position you always seem to take here. It would be very easy to just change the wording or clarify what is meant. But for some strange and unusual situation, that has literally never happened. I wonder why?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You realize that the case play in question has been in the casebook for over 20 years (at least since I have been officiating). So if this was not clear, then you would think the NF or the NCAA or both would change their language to reflect the position you always seem to take here. It would be very easy to just change the wording or clarify what is meant. But for some strange and unusual situation, that has literally never happened. I wonder why?

Peace

I wonder why too. My position? I did not take any position here, merely pointed out and agreed with the problems which exist by this situation when it happens and the lack of certainty in the solution thereof provided by this case play. And this thread did not even mention that the case play is, above all, contradictory to the rule.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I wonder why too. My position? I did not take any position here, merely pointed out and agreed with the problems which exist by this situation when it happens and the lack of certainty in the solution thereof provided by this case play. And this thread did not even mention that the case play is, above all, contradictory to the rule.

Yes, your position. The same position you state just about anytime this topic comes up. It is not a problem if the NF or the NCAA has never addressed the situation in a specific way to suggest what do they mean other than an actual signal. Literally, no one I have ever had a conversation with seems uncertain about what is meant.

And we do not have to mention the case play, because there is one that clearly states what is to be done. The NCAA even had this situation happen in a National Championship game and puts out regular videos and never once have they said to do something other than calling a double foul. As a matter of fact, one of the first videos of last season had a "blarge" situation and the NCAA Supervisor was adamant about what was to be done (involving the same official as in this video BTW). Since this was an NCAA game, it is clear how this is to be handled at that level.

Peace