My individual plays - (Video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Play 4 was not a foul. Defender did not extend the armbar, nor did he dislodge the offensive player. Therefore, not a foul under those criteria. I would argue that the offensive player was within the post area, defined as the three-second lane and approximately three feet outside the lane, and thus not a foul on that criteria either.

I get all of that, but he clearly was outside the post area if you see . He was about 2 or 3 feet outside of the post area tick (located on the end line) and I even tried to talk him out of his hands being on the ball handler. We were told to call this pretty strictly and I even gave the player a chance but he never listened (I usually say "hands, space" or something like that) if they are technically illegal.

Rarely do I ever have these situations. Usually they are clearly in the area and they are legal. That is why I pointed to there area and even said at the foul, "Way outside of the post area" to sell the reason why I called the foul. Otherwise this is not a foul in the post area. But it is anywhere else on the floor.

Originally Posted by johnny d

Play 3 correct call. Although not a big fan of having whistles on plays going away from calling official. C should have moved to get a better look instead of leaning to see the play. Would have been a better whistle coming from C.

I just stayed with the play here. I do not think the issue was what the C was doing. I am not a fan of calling things going away from me anymore, but in this case the player entirely started with me and was easy to see. But I would prefer to stay away from most of these kinds of plays and have done a much better job this year.

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[JRutledge]

Play #5


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[bucky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I get all of that, but he clearly was outside the post area if you see . He was about 2 or 3 feet outside of the post area tick (located on the end line) and I even tried to talk him out of his hands being on the ball handler. We were told to call this pretty strictly and I even gave the player a chance but he never listened (I usually say "hands, space" or something like that) if they are technically illegal.

Peace

Vid 3 - Foul all day

Vid 4 - I would have liked to see you wait a millisecond longer as the player with ball elected not to attack and passed to an open player in an attacking position (shot or drive). But..... after reading that you were verbal about the contact, no problem with calling the foul. If they do not listen, then it is on them. Coaches won;t have a problem with that explanation. Although, Ric from GVSU can have problems with just about anything, lol. Love that guy!

Vid 5 - Good foul call. Good to see partner watching screener.

Vid 6 - I'm not worried about lateness of whistle but if calling ref was closed down more, it would have been less of an issue I think.

Vid 7 - Partner all over it right away showing excellent clock awareness.

[Camron Rust]

Play 5...good call....this should be called all the time but it is often missed by officials that ball watch.

Play 6....good call. Play coming down the lane. Defender moving across from the lead's side jumping into the shooter. The only think I don't like is the little hop at the table. I know we sometimes simulate what the foul was but it looked a little goofy.

Play 7...not much to talk about. Good catch...and precise too.

[Raymond]

Play #3 is a foul all day long and HS officials do a poor job of cleaning this type of play up.

[Remington]

Good plays and I'm not going to re-hash what has been stated correctly. The only minor thing I would point out is on play #5, the calling official doesn't post his foul. This scares the hell out of me because when you just bang out a block call it means 2 things IMO: (1) You were off guard when you picked up the foul or (2) You are a prime candidate for BLARGE's because your mechanics are poor in that aspect. I would share that with him if I was a partner of his. Great clips and thanks for sharing!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Remington

Good plays and I'm not going to re-hash what has been stated correctly. The only minor thing I would point out is on play #5, the calling official doesn't post his foul. This scares the hell out of me because when you just bang out a block call it means 2 things IMO: (1) You were off guard when you picked up the foul or (2) You are a prime candidate for BLARGE's because your mechanics are poor in that aspect. I would share that with him if I was a partner of his. Great clips and thanks for sharing!

I will put it this way. I would agree if this was a block-charge situation but it is an illegal screen being called. Different sell and different mechanic pace IMO and not the worst thing to worry about. Play in the lane or a foul with the ball handler, then yes I agree totally.

That also being said, I would not be saying much to them personally about their mechanics. Two D1 officials on this game and it was my first game in this particular conference. Just being honest here. I would let our supervisor or JD Collins make comments about those things on their own. I was happier it was picked up by someone else other than me.

Peace

[sdoebler]

Play 7:
I don't have a shot clock so not perfectly familiar but should the shot clock be reset to 21?. Shot at 22 seconds, air ball, reset to 30 ticks down to 29.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Play 6....good call. Play coming down the lane. Defender moving across from the lead's side jumping into the shooter. The only think I don't like is the little hop at the table. I know we sometimes simulate what the foul was but it looked a little goofy.

Actually, the signal at the table is the mechanic you describe from an "A to B Foul." This is a college game, not a high school game. This signal is new in the CCA Manual this year. Last year they created a signal to allow the lead to describe a "wall up" legal action. This year they put in a foul signal to suggest when they do not legally "wall up."

Honestly, I wish high school would add some of these signals because they are more descriptive as to what actually happened. Calling a push does not quite do the trick IMO.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually, the signal at the table is the mechanic you describe from an "A to B Foul." This is a college game, not a high school game. This signal is new in the CCA Manual this year. Last year they created a signal to allow the lead to describe a "wall up" legal action. This year they put in a foul signal to suggest when they do not legally "wall up."

Honestly, I wish high school would add some of these signals because they are more descriptive as to what actually happened. Calling a push does not quite do the trick IMO.

Peace

Fair point....it still looks goofy. Perhaps they could have found/defined a better signal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Fair point....it still looks goofy. Perhaps they could have found/defined a better signal.

Well, it can look that way, but describes the actual action better IMO. Just like many college mechanics actually describe the action, unlike the NF mechanics that are bland and we have to give the same signals all the time for things that never describe what actually happened.

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[JRutledge]

Play #8


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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Honestly, I wish high school would add some of these signals because they are more descriptive as to what actually happened. Calling a push does not quite do the trick IMO.

Peace

Amen! That said, I have no issue giving the NFHS "book" signal first, followed by an amplification signal (hit to the head, chuck, grabbed the shoulder, A to B, etc.) when the NFHS signal clearly doesn't tell the story. Coaches seem to appreciate it, and most evaluators don't care either. There are a few purists out there, but they seem to be more and more in the minority on this A) the longer the NFHS refuses to move the needle and B) considering how many college officials these days are evaluators and/or fellow HS officials.

As with all local issues of this sort, your mileage may vary. I suppose there are some places where stuff like this will still kill your postseason hopes. If so, shame on those places, but c'est la vie.