Verticality Example : Anticipating a call

[Nevadaref]

The men who work at that level are their own harshest critics. That’s how they got there. He knows it wasn’t a good whistle. I wouldn’t be surprised if he told the Iowa coach exactly that. The communication is the most interesting part of this to me. How did he handle it and what did he say? Since you know him perhaps you can find that out and post it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The men who work at that level are their own harshest critics. That’s how they got there. He knows it wasn’t a good whistle. I wouldn’t be surprised if he told the Iowa coach exactly that. The communication is the most interesting part of this to me. How did he handle it and what did he say? Since you know him perhaps you can find that out and post it.

Actually, he posted the play on our association FB website. He very much did not like the call and told everyone so. But he is also very critical of plays he has and has posted others where he was not happy or it was a touch situation. I asked permission before I posted it on YouTube. He wanted the call back and that is why the coach reacted the way he did and he went table side after the call. This is a very good official and working a lot of D1 ball now.

Peace

[bucky]

I tried to listen closely to the PA announcer and it sounds as if the foul was indeed called on 10 (vertical defender) so it makes more sense.

[thedewed]

if you can't talk to coaches when you screw one up, that's not good. they know when you are running from them, they are typically not stupid. go the bench side and don't run from the problem. that's a really bad call for any level.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by thedewed

if you can't talk to coaches when you screw one up, that's not good. they know when you are running from them, they are typically not stupid. go the bench side and don't run from the problem.

All true. This is why I am not a fan of the NCAAM/IAABO mechanic to go opposite. It hinders communication. I’d rather the exception be going opposite to avoid a confrontation than staying tableside when an act of contrition is called for (as was the case here).

Originally Posted by thedewed

that's a really bad call for any level.

C’mon, man. Your point was good and then you had to go there.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

All true. This is why I am not a fan of the NCAAM/IAABO mechanic to go opposite. It hinders communication. I’d rather the exception be going opposite to avoid a confrontation than staying tableside when an act of contrition is called for (as was the case here).

I do not totally disagree with this. But most fouls are not at all a problem and needs very little discussion. But when there is something to talk to them about, I have or my partners just ask to go over there so it will not escalate. At the college level, the coaches are a little bit more professional. High School coaches tend to fly off the damn handle unnecessarily. You can be right in front of them and you do not want to talk to them at all.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

All true. This is why I am not a fan of the NCAAM/IAABO mechanic to go opposite. It hinders communication. I’d rather the exception be going opposite to avoid a confrontation than staying tableside when an act of contrition is called for (as was the case here).



C’mon, man. Your point was good and then you had to go there.


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Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not totally disagree with this. But most fouls are not at all a problem and needs very little discussion. But when there is something to talk to them about, I have or my partners just ask to go over there so it will not escalate. At the college level, the coaches are a little bit more professional. High School coaches tend to fly off the damn handle unnecessarily. You can be right in front of them and you do not want to talk to them at all.

Peace

Jeff:

No truer words have been said.

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

All true. This is why I am not a fan of the NCAAM/IAABO mechanic to go opposite. It hinders communication. I’d rather the exception be going opposite to avoid a confrontation than staying tableside when an act of contrition is called for (as was the case here).
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I don't mind going opposite. I think there is too much expectation for us to communicate with coaches when we call fouls against their teams. Sh!t, when I work HS games, I don't go anywhere near the coaches when I go tableside. If they want my attention then need to get my attention. I'd rather the exception be going to a coach when I feel it is necessary, and the rule being to call a foul, report it, and get back to monitoring the players without interruption from the sideline.

Coaches need to spend more time coaching and less time lobbying and whining.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I don't mind going opposite. I think there is too much expectation for us to communicate with coaches when we call fouls against their teams. Sh!t, when I work HS games, I don't go anywhere near the coaches when I go tableside. If they want my attention then need to get my attention. I'd rather the exception be going to a coach when I feel it is necessary, and the rule being to call a foul, report it, and get back to monitoring the players without interruption from the sideline.

Coaches need to spend more time coaching and less time lobbying and whining.

I have no desire to talk to a coach after a call. Just like you, they need to make it known and often they do not know how to act when I give them an answer. I actually like going opposite table more in the end because it takes some steam out of making the call because I do not have to stay and talk to them. I have done the same thing when they are adamant about a call, I have talked to them. Usually does not much good because it is a debate on their part. I have never seen an official change the call even when you know you blew it like on this call.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by thedewed

that's a really bad call for any level.

Well, there are a lot of officials that will justify that call at the high school level for sure. Again, the calling official hated the call. It happens. Lack of concentration or lack of patients. It did not hurt the game and Iowa won handily.

Peace