Basket Interference Dunk ...

[BillyMac]

I moved this from another college thread because I wanted to set up a high school discussion.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Looks like part of the ball was in the cylinder which is all it takes. The only exception for such contact is for a player executing a dunk, not the defender. So, once the leading edge of the ball crosses into the cylinder defined by the rim, it would be basket interference for another player to touch the ball.

Even if the defender already had his hand legally on the ball before it entered the cylinder?

NFHS 4-6: Basket interference occurs when a player:
ART. 1 Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net)
while the ball is on or within either basket.
ART. 2 Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the
imaginary cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: In Arts. 1 or 2, if a player has his/her hand legally in
contact with the ball, it is not a violation if such contact with the ball
continues after it enters the imaginary cylinder or if in such action, the
player touches the basket. Dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket
interference.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I moved this from another college thread because I wanted to set up a high school discussion.



Even if the defender already had his hand legally on the ball before it entered the cylinder?

NFHS 4-6: Basket interference occurs when a player:
ART. 1 Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net)
while the ball is on or within either basket.
ART. 2 Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the
imaginary cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: In Arts. 1 or 2, if a player has his/her hand legally in
contact with the ball, it is not a violation if such contact with the ball
continues after it enters the imaginary cylinder or if in such action, the
player touches the basket. Dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket
interference.

I am interpreting the exception to be for the offense only as the last line equates to dunking as being legal.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

I am interpreting the exception to be for the offense only as the last line equates to dunking as being legal.

Valid reasoning, but the rule refers to "player", not "offensive player".

Several years ago when I was on our rule training committee, we taught our guys that this exception included any player, offense or defense, as long as said player already had legal contact with the ball before the ball entered the cylinder.

Looking forward to continued discussion on this.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Valid reasoning, but the rule refers to "player", not "offensive player".

Several years ago when I was on our rule training committee, we taught our guys that this exception included any player, offense or defense, as long as said player already had legal contact with the ball before the ball entered the cylinder.

Looking forward to continued discussion on this.

I understand your point but the same point could be made with regards to the exception. It refers to dunking, which is an offensive play, not a defensive play. The whole idea is that a player can dunk the ball and not be charged with touching the ball while in the cylinder. The idea is not that a defensive player can touch the ball while it is being held by an offensive player in the cylinder.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

.. with regards to the exception. It refers to dunking, which is an offensive play, not a defensive play.

Disagree, the exception refers to touching the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within either basket; or touching the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder, it doesn't only refer to dunking.

The phrase "dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket interference" was probably added in 1976 when the NFHS added a rule change allowed dunking during the game but not during pregame warmups, nor during intermissions, and with a later rule change in 1978 outlawing dunking a dead ball. Previous to this dunking was not allowed at all (the “(Lew) Alcindor Rule”).

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Disagree, the exception refers to touching the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within either basket; or touching the ball while any part of the ball is within the imaginary cylinder, it doesn't only refer to dunking.

The phrase "dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket interference" was probably added in 1976 when the NFHS added a rule change allowed dunking during the game but not during pregame warmups, nor during intermissions, and with a later rule change in 1978 outlawing dunking a dead ball. Previous to this dunking was not allowed at all (the “(Lew) Alcindor Rule”).

Hmmm, A2D I guess. I cannot have my mind changed based on someone saying that a phrase "..was probably added.." Show me an old document without it, and I might be swayed.




FYI - it is no longer Dunkin Donuts but rather Dunkin. (guessing you knew that though)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I moved this from another college thread because I wanted to set up a high school discussion.



Even if the defender already had his hand legally on the ball before it entered the cylinder?

NFHS 4-6: Basket interference occurs when a player:
ART. 1 Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net)
while the ball is on or within either basket.
ART. 2 Touches the ball while any part of the ball is within the
imaginary cylinder which has the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: In Arts. 1 or 2, if a player has his/her hand legally in
contact with the ball, it is not a violation if such contact with the ball
continues after it enters the imaginary cylinder or if in such action, the
player touches the basket. Dunking or stuffing is legal and is not basket
interference.

I believe you are correct. If the defender was in contact before, they also remain legal in trying to defend the dunk. However, they can not make contact once the part of the ball is in the cylinder...too late.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bucky

I cannot have my mind changed based on someone saying that a phrase "..was probably added.." Show me an old document without it, and I might be swayed.

I wonder how cold Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s attic is?