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Camron Rust Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1027426)
We'll be waiting on your rules citation.
I can't think of any real scenario, but I can think of about 8-9 teammates that can be OOB during a designated spot throwin...the ones on the bench.

I had initially thought that the restriction only applied to the boundary on which the throwin occurred but it seems the rule only references being OOB, not just on the throwin boundary line.

bucky Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:39pm
No waiting necessary, read your NFHS case book.

Raymond Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1027448)
No waiting necessary, read your NFHS case book.
Either you have a citation or you don't.

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bob jenkins Wed Dec 19, 2018 01:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1027445)
I had initially thought that the restriction only applied to the boundary on which the throwin occurred but it seems the rule only references being OOB, not just on the throwin boundary line.
Correct, but I think that's the (obvious?) intent.

BillyMac Wed Dec 19, 2018 02:17pm
Confused In Connecticut ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1027445)
I had initially thought that the restriction only applied to the boundary on which the throwin occurred but it seems the rule only references being OOB, not just on the throwin boundary line.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1027474)
Correct, but I think that's the (obvious?) intent.
I apologize in advance, I thought that I really had a handle on these situations, but somewhere along the way I became confused. I keep reading earlier posts to see if I missed something, but I'm still lost, so please bear with me.

What restriction (on any boundary) is Camron Rust and bob Jenkins referring to (citation please)?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1027406)
On a designated spot throw-in no teammates of the thrower-in may go OOB.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027418)
This would be a violation for leaving the court for an unauthorized reason, it's not a throwin violation. Correct?
And could someone please answer my question (above), is my statement correct?

And if it isn't, why am I incorrect?

Also, bucky, I'm waiting with bated breath.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1027448)
No waiting necessary, read your NFHS case book.
Please stop being a tease, I knew a lot of girls in high school like that (I watched Breakfast Club on television last night).

Thank you.

Raymond Wed Dec 19, 2018 02:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027478)
I apologize in advance, I thought that I really had a handle on these situations, but somewhere along the way I became confused. I keep reading earlier posts to see if I missed something, but I'm still lost, so please bear with me.

What restriction (on any boundary) is Camron Rust and bob Jenkins referring to (citation please)?





And could someone please answer my question (above), is my statement correct?

And if it isn't, why am I incorrect?

Also, bucky, I'm waiting with bated breath.



Please stop being a tease, I knew a lot of girls in high school like that (I watched Breakfast Club on television last night).

Thank you.
Rule 9-2-ART. 11

No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins

Rule 9-2 is "Throw-in Provisions".

What rulebook do you IAABO folks in Connecticut operate under? Does it not have this rule citation?

BillyMac Wed Dec 19, 2018 02:44pm
What Eleventh Article ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1027481)
Rule 9-2-ART. 11 No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins
Thank you very much. I knew it, but couldn't cite it (see below).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1027481)
What rulebook do you IAABO folks in Connecticut operate under?
The Stupid BillyMac Rulebook where I stop at Article 10 before the long list of PENALTIES and not realize that there is an Article 11 hiding, all by its lonesome self, below the PENALTIES.

I hate it when some additional articles hide in plain sight. Damn cataracts.

BayStateRef Wed Dec 19, 2018 03:37pm
Conflicting throw-in rules?
 
As noted, 9-2-11 says no teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins. Penalty is ball awarded OOB at the original throw-in spot.

BUT....
it is a legal throw-in when a pass is caught by a teammate OOB. It is an OOB violation (and not a throw-in violation) and the new throw-in will be at the OOB spot where the pass was caught, not the original throw-in spot.

So...
If a teammate catches the ball while OOB, it seems he has violated the provision that says no teammate shall be OOB after a spot throw-in starts.

How do we reconcile these seemingly conflicting rules?

bob jenkins Wed Dec 19, 2018 04:19pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 1027497)
As noted, 9-2-11 says no teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins. Penalty is ball awarded OOB at the original throw-in spot.

BUT....
it is a legal throw-in when a pass is caught by a teammate OOB. It is an OOB violation (and not a throw-in violation) and the new throw-in will be at the OOB spot where the pass was caught, not the original throw-in spot.

So...
If a teammate catches the ball while OOB, it seems he has violated the provision that says no teammate shall be OOB after a spot throw-in starts.

How do we reconcile these seemingly conflicting rules?
By recognizing that the former is meant to address the situation where the inbounding team tries to switch inbounders, or act as if it's a "run the endline" type of play and fake (or make) a throw to someone else on the endline.

The latter is for the "normal" type of OOB violation.

BillyMac Wed Dec 19, 2018 04:33pm
Restriction Ends ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 1027497)
9-2-11 says no teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins.
When does this restriction (above) end?

Probably when the throwin ends, but there are other ending times for restrictions within the throwin rules:

The throw-in ends when:
a. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player inbounds.
b. The passed ball touches or is touched by another player out-of-bounds.

The thrower shall not leave the designated throw-in spot until
the ball has been released on a throw-in pass.

The thrown ball shall not be touched by a teammate of the
thrower while the ball is on the out-of-bounds side of the throw-in
boundary-line plane.

Nit picking? Guilty as charged. Consider it a written test situation.

bucky Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:42pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1027451)
Either you have a citation or you don't.

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Either you can read or you can't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027478)

Please stop being a tease, I knew a lot of girls in high school like that (I watched Breakfast Club on television last night).

Thank you.
I saw that and nearly stayed up to watch Pretty in Pink which followed.:rolleyes:


Quote:
Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 1027497)
So...
If a teammate catches the ball while OOB, it seems he has violated the provision that says no teammate shall be OOB after a spot throw-in starts.

How do we reconcile these seemingly conflicting rules?
I do not feel that the provision was violated. When the ball is at the disposal of the thrower, a teammate could not be OOB (with one case play exception) as that would constitute leaving the court for an unauthorized reason. Now, during the throw-in, the teammate could end up (via say push or momentum) OOB. I do not see what there is to reconcile.

Raymond Thu Dec 20, 2018 08:33am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1027516)
Either you can read or you can't.



I saw that and nearly stayed up to watch Pretty in Pink which ....
As usual you have nothing concrete, just a bunch word games. Great contribution to the conversation, you really cleared up that rule for the OP.

BillyMac Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:51am
Ginger Or Mary Ann; Betty Or Veronica ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027478)
bucky, I'm waiting with bated breath. Please stop being a tease, I knew a lot of girls in high school like that (I watched Breakfast Club on television last night).
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1027516)
I saw that and nearly stayed up to watch Pretty in Pink which followed.
Molly Ringwald or Ally Sheedy?

WhistlesAndStripes Thu Dec 20, 2018 02:37pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1027516)
I do not feel that the provision was violated.

The facts don’t care about your feelings. — Ben Shapiro


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bucky Thu Dec 20, 2018 08:53pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1027523)
As usual you have nothing concrete, just a bunch word games. Great contribution to the conversation, you really cleared up that rule for the OP.
The OP was cleared up with the first response..although maybe you did not read that part.


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