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#olderthanilook Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:27am

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Originally Posted by Shooter14 (Post 1026994)
Technical?

If the "boy" is a player on either boys varsity team scheduled to play after the girls varsity game - YES. Issue the T.

SC Official Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:40am

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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1027029)
If the "boy" is a player on either boys varsity team scheduled to play after the girls varsity game - YES. Issue the T.

And we have found "that guy."

SC Official Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:46am

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Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1027028)
Our state told us to T up the girls team as the players are still representatives of the school/team/program. I have not seen it called.

I wouldn't, either. In fact I likely wouldn't see it. I'm in the dressing room at halftime and by the time I come out for second half warmups, both teams are already out 95% of the time and non-participants are off the court.

#olderthanilook Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1027031)
And we have found "that guy."

Fair enough....I guess..... But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

10.5.1 SITUATION E:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks.

RULING: A1 and A2 are both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box, the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the coaching box for the entire game. (10-5-1i)

BillyMac Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:16pm

Don't Be A Plumber …
 
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1027036)
But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

10.5.1 SITUATION E: Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks. RULING: A1 and A2 are both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box, the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the coaching box for the entire game. (10-5-1i)

Reason? The officials jurisdiction, prior to the game, begins when they arrive on the floor at least fifteen minutes before the scheduled starting time of the game. The "team members" that dunk appear to be a actual participants in the game that the officials have jurisdiction over, and whose names will probably appear in the book in about five minutes.

With apologies to Freddy, "Don't be a (retired) plumber".

BillyMac Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:19pm

The Cowgirls Cry A Yippy Yi ...
 
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Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1027019)
"Son, off the court, please."

Or, as our good friends in Texas do, hide behind the bleachers and sound a whistle.

SC Official Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1027036)
Fair enough....I guess..... But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

I know the pregame dunking rules, but thanks.

My jurisdiction for the second game of a back-to-back doesn't start until I come out to observe warmups following the conclusion of the first game. I'm not going to preside over two games at once. The only people I care about at halftime are the participants of the current contest.

"What rule supports that?" Well, I could just as easily ask the same question regarding why someone would issue a T.

AFAIC, this falls under Rule 2-3. If your state issues guidance to the contrary, great, but thankfully mine does not.

JRutledge Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1027036)
Fair enough....I guess..... But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

10.5.1 SITUATION E:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks.

RULING: A1 and A2 are both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box, the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the coaching box for the entire game. (10-5-1i)

How is this setting aside a rule? Your example is 15 minutes before game time and when you as an official are on the court (by other standards and expectations in the rules). The OP was a situation during the halftime of another game. Now if you feel that is the intent of the written rule, what about if the crew is not working the girl's game or the game before their game and they happened to be in the stands and see a player in their game dunk? What is some guy that you do not know is on either team dunks? You penalizing that too? Is that the spirit of the actual rule?

The rule does not say anytime during the pregame whether that be an hour or 20 minutes before the game. This all applies when the officials have jurisdiction over their game. Halftime of another game has nothing to do with the game the players are playing in. I guess you would also require the players to remove jewelry, illegal equipment or tell them to take off certain color sleeves or items that do not fit the color restrictions during the halftime of the previous games as well? And when they do not comply, are you going to not allow them to play or give them a technical foul if they do not follow your instructions?

Peace

Camron Rust Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:31pm

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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1027036)
Fair enough....I guess..... But, I'm interested in your reason for supporting the setting aside of rule Rule: 10.5.1?

10.5.1 SITUATION E:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start, team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks.

....


Do you also T a player for Friday who dunks on Tuesday?

#olderthanilook Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1027039)
I know the pregame dunking rules, but thanks.

My jurisdiction for the second game of a back-to-back doesn't start until I come out to observe warmups following the conclusion of the first game. I'm not going to preside over two games at once. The only people I care about at halftime are the participants of the current contest.

"What rule supports that?" Well, I could just as easily ask the same question regarding why someone would issue a T.

AFAIC, this falls under Rule 2-3. If your state issues guidance to the contrary, great, but thankfully mine does not.

Ditch the attitude. My questions aren't designed to challenge your competency. A lot of people read this forum that are seeking information that will likely never take the time to register and request. Discussion beneficial. That's why this forum exists.

Back to the topic at hand - If an official is early for their game and is watching JV or GV officials working the 2nd Qtr of their game and halftime arrives...as they are walking to the locker room, BV players run onto the court for a quick shoot around. They observe a player(s) dunk. Is it the consensus here that they ignore it?

BillyMac Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:37pm

Preside ...
 
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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1027039)
I'm not going to preside over two games at once.

Nice post. Common sense. Short. To the point.

BillyMac Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:41pm

None Of My Business ...
 
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1027043)
If an official is early for their game and is watching JV or GV officials working the 2nd Qtr of their game and halftime arrives...as they are walking to the locker room, BV players run onto the court for a quick shoot around. They observe a player(s) dunk. Is it the consensus here that they ignore it?

I can't speak for the consensus, but I'm totally ignoring, but only on days that end in "day".

(Assuming no overriding edict from the Grand Poobah.)

SC Official Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:47pm

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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1027043)
Ditch the attitude. My questions aren't designed to challenge your competency. A lot of people read this forum that are seeking information that will likely never take the time to register and request. Discussion beneficial. That's why this forum exists.

Back to the topic at hand - If an official is early for their game and is watching JV or GV officials working the 2nd Qtr of their game and halftime arrives...as they are walking to the locker room, BV players run onto the court for a quick shoot around. They observe a player(s) dunk. Is it the consensus here that they ignore it?

Well, you did (wrongly) say I was setting aside a rule by not issuing a T.

Yes.

#olderthanilook Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:49pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027045)
I can't speak for the consensus, but I'm totally ignoring, but only on days that end in "day".

lol

Does that include today, yesterday, the other day and any day?

LRZ Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:51pm

If I'm in the stands, watching an earlier game, or on my way to the locker room, my jurisdiction has not yet begun.


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