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BillyMac Mon Dec 10, 2018 09:50pm

Do What I Say, Not As I Do ...
 
Started my new life as a subvarsity official tonight. Girls junior varsity game. Within the first minute I call two easy rebounding fouls on White #44, White's tallest player, one down the offensive end and, after our switch, one down the defensive end. Not an especially rough player just wrong place, wrong time.

For some reason her coach doesn't take her out of the game. In the next minute White #44 and White #13 both push and "sandwich" an opposing player. I've got the whistle. In a split second I decide not to call a multiple foul (I never have called one, never seen one called, I'm not even sure how to penalize) and consciously, intentionally, and deliberately made a decision to charge the foul to White #13 instead of White #44.

I never even tried to think it over and figure out who, if anybody, fouled first, I just knew that I wasn't charging White #44 with her third foul in the first few minutes, all called by me.

I should practice what I preach, but I guess, sometimes I don't.

BillyMac Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:16pm

Multiple Foul ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027004)
I decide not to call a multiple foul (I never have called one, never seen one called, I'm not even sure how to penalize).

No try involved. Before the bonus (apparently not relevant):

Multiple Foul: One free throw for each foul: No try involved.

Really? Before the bonus?

That certainly would get everyone's attention.

Has anyone ever called a multiple foul?

BillyMac Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:33pm

In Fact It Was A Little Bit Frighting ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027006)
No try involved. Before the bonus (apparently not relevant): Multiple Foul: One free throw for each foul: No try involved.Really? Before the bonus? That certainly would get everyone's attention.

Any coach who saw me do this couldn't help but to put me on their state tournament ballot as "fast as lightning". Probably wouldn't even wait for the game to end.

(Sorry, still got Carl Douglas's Kung Fu Fighting playing in my head).

bucky Wed Dec 12, 2018 05:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1027006)
No try involved. Before the bonus (apparently not relevant):

Multiple Foul: One free throw for each foul: No try involved.

Really? Before the bonus?

That certainly would get everyone's attention.

Has anyone ever called a multiple foul?

Multiple foul plays happen every game and no one enforces it. Like my tagline?

BigT Thu Dec 13, 2018 04:50pm

50/50 Calling officials suck. No patience no great judgement. All of our calls should be clear and make the game better. If we have a crew making those calls the coaches and players have a decision to make. Play a lot cleaner or foul out. The kid has 5 chances to figure it out. If he fouls out he didnt adapt and we shouldn't have to track this.

Just my 2 cents.

SNIPERBBB Thu Dec 13, 2018 06:22pm

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1027166)
Multiple foul plays happen every game and no one enforces it. Like my tagline?

Problem with multiples is that they really aren't by the book possible except for during a try. Second 'foul' on a non try would be a during the dead ball by definition so it would be ignored unless it bad enough to warrant a T.

BillyMac Thu Dec 13, 2018 07:26pm

Multiple Foul Defined ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1027201)
Problem with multiples is that they really aren't by the book possible except for during a try. Second 'foul' on a non try would be a during the dead ball by definition so it would be ignored unless it bad enough to warrant a T.

While I don't call them, nor have I seen anybody call one, I disagree.

In my previously posted situation where a Red player was sandwiched between two pushing defenders, White #44 and White #13, the two separate pushes happened at exactly the same time (by the naked eye, no slow motion video), no try was involved (it was a rebounding foul), and it fits the classic definition of a multiple foul: A multiple foul is a situation in which two or more teammates commit personal fouls against the same opponent at approximately the same time.

I don't what to be "that guy" and be the first person in the universe to call a multiple foul. With everybody's grandmother having a cell phone camera, it would be all over social media "as fast as lightning".

bob jenkins Fri Dec 14, 2018 08:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1027166)
Multiple foul plays happen every game and no one enforces it. Like my tagline?

My theory:

The rules book legitimately has "double" and "false-double" fouls. And, it legitimately has "false-multiple" fouls. But, you can't have a "false something" without also having that "something." So, the definition and penalty was added just for completeness.

Camron Rust Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:59am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1027207)
My theory:

The rules book legitimately has "double" and "false-double" fouls. And, it legitimately has "false-multiple" fouls. But, you can't have a "false something" without also having that "something." So, the definition and penalty was added just for completeness.

Well, you really wouldn't need to even define false-multiple if there were no multiple. The "false-multiples" would just be fouls.

MattReferee Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:31am

Where was your co-offical(s) ? They were officiating the same game ? Your choice we’ve all made ..but you Crew has to be on same page and know they also have to step it up ..


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