D3 Player Takes Cheap Shot

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You have to speak for yourself on this one. I would be worried about this if it was not supported by the video. I want to beat the tape anytime I can. But this might very for who you work with or the coaches you encounter. I do not want to call something that I cannot completely support.



Peace

If you are sure, fine. But what if it went the other way and the ball was completely through the net when the foul happened and you called a flagrant 2? You'd be just as wrong, just the other way.

The T has a guy get coldcocked in the corner - I'd hope any supervisor would focus on the important issue - that the player was ejected.


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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

If you are sure, fine. But what if it went the other way and the ball was completely through the net when the foul happened and you called a flagrant 2? You'd be just as wrong, just the other way.

Just as wrong? How do we know that the ball was completely through the basket? Did you have to stop the video several times to make sure? That is the thing we could do if we had replay. In this game there likely is no replay. And yes that matters.

Originally Posted by Rich

The T has a guy get coldcocked in the corner - I'd hope any supervisor would focus on the important issue - that the player was ejected.

I hope a lot of things, but that does not mean it will take place that way.

I am not disagreeing with you if it is obvious, but it is not at all obvious. Meaning I have to look at the video very closely and even slow it down to know if that is what actually took place. A Flagrant Foul is a definite in this situation. But if you make it a T because you say it is a dead ball is not so much. Because as stated before, the coach might try everything to undermine your call.

Peace

[bucky]

Get your point Jrut, not arguing.

I do not think any of the 3 officials could tell you if the ball was dead or not at the time of the foul. L turns and watches the paint so he can't see when the foul occurs. C is likely watching rebounders and their action and he too would not know when the foul occurred. The T called the foul and knows when it happened. He also acknowledged the made 3 so he knows when that happened but he does not know which took place first. This would be a case where general basketball play would help. Generally speaking, 3-point shooters are fouled before the ball passes through the net. When was the last time you saw this not happen? So, given this and no monitor, it would be a safe and practical ruling to say the ball was live at the time of the foul.

As others have said, the focus will be on the injured player, the offender, calming the coaches/benches, etc. not splitting hairs on whether the ball was completely through the net or not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

Get your point Jrut, not arguing.

This is a discussion board. This is kind of the point of this site to hash out the details of a situation. You do not have to tell me you are not arguing on a play that has elements of the play.

Originally Posted by bucky

I do not think any of the 3 officials could tell you if the ball was dead or not at the time of the foul. L turns and watches the paint so he can't see when the foul occurs. C is likely watching rebounders and their action and he too would not know when the foul occurred. The T called the foul and knows when it happened. He also acknowledged the made 3 so he knows when that happened but he does not know which took place first. This would be a case where general basketball play would help. Generally speaking, 3-point shooters are fouled before the ball passes through the net. When was the last time you saw this not happen? So, given this and no monitor, it would be a safe and practical ruling to say the ball was live at the time of the foul.

All interesting discussion points. But that is not my point if this was for me. At the very least this is not the actual coach's tape. It might be a version of that, so we are speculating on what the officials were looking at completely or even what seemed to happen. But something tells me that a T was not likely called in this situation.

Originally Posted by bucky

As others have said, the focus will be on the injured player, the offender, calming the coaches/benches, etc. not splitting hairs on whether the ball was completely through the net or not.

I am not talking about what people are focused on during the game. During the game, they might not care. But you also do not know what happened in this game before. There are coaches that will justify all kinds of things in a game and will justify it by picking at what you called. And I am mostly talking about after the game is over. There tends to be more conversation with supervisors about plays in college because of the stakes. All I was saying and still saying, it better show up on tape. If you are going to call a T, it better not be because you "think" the ball went through, you better be right. The only reason to call a T is that the ball is dead. I'm just saying be sure.

Peace