D3 Player Takes Cheap Shot

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is only an F2 foul in college (which the level of the game that took place) or a Flagrant Foul in HS. It matters where we put the ball or who shoots the FTs. You cannot have a live ball contact Technical. I think if we call anything else we are just making up our own rules.

Peace

The ball is close enough to being dead that I'd hardly have an issue with an F2 technical foul. Yes I think F2 personal is the correct ruling, but F2 technical would hardly be an egregious error.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The ball is close enough to being dead that I'd hardly have an issue with an F2 technical foul. Yes I think F2 personal is the correct ruling, but F2 technical would hardly be an egregious error.

Close?? The only way I am calling that is if I have a monitor. While the game is going on I would call this or consider this a live play or action.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Close?? The only way I am calling that is if I have a monitor. While the game is going on I would call this or consider this a live play or action.

Peace

Great, and Rich said without replay he'd have an F2 technical. The ball is closer than you seem to think to being dead (it's already in the net when the contact occurs).

Two respected posters, two different opinions.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Great, and Rich said without replay he'd have an F2 technical. The ball is closer than you seem to think to being dead (it's already in the net when the contact occurs).

Two respected posters, two different opinions.

I'm just saying, we were told without monitors we have to be completely right. We cannot guess or speculate, we have to know. And likely we would have to have 2 officials verify that took place as well. I am just saying this from a self-preservation standpoint. And most of the plays are not this hard to officiate. Even the Hook and Hold plays are not this complicated as to what makes it a Flagrant Foul.

And the ball has to be completely through the net to be dead, not just in the net. If there is any doubt, I am considering the ball live. Just like I would with other similar fouls where a common foul or a dead ball contact foul would be at issue.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I'm just saying, we were told without monitors we have to be completely right. We cannot guess or speculate, we have to know. And likely we would have to have 2 officials verify that took place as well. I am just saying this from a self-preservation standpoint. And most of the plays are not this hard to officiate. Even the Hook and Hold plays are not this complicated as to what makes it a Flagrant Foul.

And the ball has to be completely through the net to be dead, not just in the net. If there is any doubt, I am considering the ball live. Just like I would with other similar fouls where a common foul or a dead ball contact foul would be at issue.

Peace

I didn't say the ball was dead, I said it was close enough to being dead that ruling a technical rather than personal foul would not be something to lose sleep over.

I have stated more than once that this is an F2PF for me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I didn't say the ball was dead, I said it was close enough to being dead that ruling a technical rather than personal foul would not be something to lose sleep over.

You have to speak for yourself on this one. I would be worried about this if it was not supported by the video. I want to beat the tape anytime I can. But this might very for who you work with or the coaches you encounter. I do not want to call something that I cannot completely support.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You have to speak for yourself on this one. I would be worried about this if it was not supported by the video. I want to beat the tape anytime I can. But this might very for who you work with or the coaches you encounter. I do not want to call something that I cannot completely support.



Peace

If you are sure, fine. But what if it went the other way and the ball was completely through the net when the foul happened and you called a flagrant 2? You'd be just as wrong, just the other way.

The T has a guy get coldcocked in the corner - I'd hope any supervisor would focus on the important issue - that the player was ejected.


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[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You have to speak for yourself on this one. I would be worried about this if it was not supported by the video. I want to beat the tape anytime I can. But this might very for who you work with or the coaches you encounter. I do not want to call something that I cannot completely support.

Are you naive enough to think the average coach knows the rules well enough to know whether this play is an F2PF or F2TF?

The offender was ejected and the offended team got two FTs and the ball-that is the only thing that a coach would care about.