D3 Player Takes Cheap Shot

[Rufus]

Besides the elbow itself is that the kid looked at the L to see if he was watching the shooter (i.e., if the coast was clear to throw the elbow). Guess he forgot it was a 3-man crew (and good job by the T staying with the shooter).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Guess he forgot it was a 3-man crew (and good job by the T staying with the shooter).

Reminder to all of us still officiating in the Pleistocene Epoch with two person crews to stay with shooter as the lead on this corner three point shot attempt.

[grunewar]

This has gone viral and is all over the web. As noted in another post, the player was suspended and banned from campus. I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg and there's more to come.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by grunewar

This has gone viral and is all over the web. As noted in another post, the player was suspended and banned from campus. I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg and there's more to come.

As an official, this is a F2. I think T caught it late because of the way he reacted. Wish he had seen it more clearly. But the result was proper.

As a non-official.....that’s felony aggravated assault and should be charged as such.


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[Rich]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

As an official, this is a F2. I think T caught it late because of the way he reacted. Wish he had seen it more clearly. But the result was proper.

As a non-official.....that’s felony aggravated assault and should be charged as such.


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Flagrant technical.

The police should've been called. Just cause it happened during a game doesn't mean he shouldn't have been arrested for battery.

[Freddy]

Longer footage is widely available on the web, which might bring up issues regarding either 1) the difference between NFHS and NCAA-M signaling and subsequent upgrading of the foul to a flagrant (NFHS) or flagrant 2 (NCAA-M), or 2) whether or not the covering official, having turned his head toward the flight of the ball, saw the actual foul or reacted only to the outcome of the foul.
We're grateful he made the call which ultimately led to the correct adjudication. I'm only analyzing mechanically, and not purely critically.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Longer footage is widely available on the web, which might bring up issues regarding either 1) the difference between NFHS and NCAA-M signaling and subsequent upgrading of the foul to a flagrant (NFHS) or flagrant 2 (NCAA-M), and 2) whether or not the covering official, having turned his head toward the flight of the ball, saw the actual foul or reacted only to the outcome of the foul.

We're grateful he made the call which ultimately led to the correct adjudication. I'm only analyzing mechanically, and not purely critically.

The shot wasn't contested. I'd expect the trail to move his eyes towards rebounding action. Good thing he picked up the kid with a brick in his hand and covered the play.

Crew did its job.


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[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Rich

Flagrant technical.

The police should've been called. Just cause it happened during a game doesn't mean he shouldn't have been arrested for battery.

I actually have this occurring while the ball is live, thus a flagrant personal (NFHS) or F2 personal (NCAA). Not that it “really” matters, but still.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I actually have this occurring while the ball is live, thus a flagrant personal (NFHS) or F2 personal (NCAA). Not that it “really” matters, but still.

It's close. Looks like the ball is 3/4 through the net when the foul occurs. So technically.....

Without replay, I'm likely going T.


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[bucky]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Besides the elbow itself is that the kid looked at the L to see if he was watching the shooter (i.e., if the coast was clear to throw the elbow). Guess he forgot it was a 3-man crew (and good job by the T staying with the shooter).

He apparently forgot that there were cameras too. SMH.

Wish more video was available. Probably is if one digs. I am curious as to why that player did that. What would provoke such an incident? Did the offended player make some previous threat or perform a dirty play that went unnoticed? It had to have been something. No one does that without a reason. Not saying it would be a valid reason, just saying that something triggered him.

[ChuckS]

Originally Posted by bucky

Wish more video was available. Probably is if one digs. I am curious as to why that player did that. What would provoke such an incident? Did the offended player make some previous threat or perform a dirty play that went unnoticed? It had to have been something. No one does that without a reason. Not saying it would be a valid reason, just saying that something triggered him.

As you said, not a valid reason, but he appeared to be fouled by the kid he assaulted, on an airball 3-pt attempt just prior. I had to replay the video several times and stop it, but if you do that, it looks like contact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWcrJ18yjok

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by ChuckS

As you said, not a valid reason, but he appeared to be fouled by the kid he assaulted, on an airball 3-pt attempt just prior. I had to replay the video several times and stop it, but if you do that, it looks like contact.

Ok, I’m glad you brought this up and that we have the preceding possession clipped now. This is worth discussing from a mechanics and game management standpoint. I’m not excusing the criminal (that’s what I’m going to call him), but let’s look at what the C on the preceding possession could have done better. The criminal is above the C, and C has an open low look between him and the defender. Then the criminal dribbles low and straightlines the C, who at this point in the game had apparently checked out because he made no effort to improve his view. He should have opened high to get a look between the players (but instead he was planted like a tree). All the more so because L was rotating his way, but even if not, C has GOT to make that adjustment. ESPECIALLY since the criminal had been T’d earlier in the game and was probably already a GFU. By not seeing the foul on the 3-try, the criminal’s fire was fueled, and we all saw the result.

Important to officiate the last five minutes with the same effort as the first five, especially with a GFU on the court. Keep working for open looks until the final horn.

Preventative officiating could have...well...prevented this. Lesson learned for all of us.



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[JRutledge]

This is only an F2 foul in college (which the level of the game that took place) or a Flagrant Foul in HS. It matters where we put the ball or who shoots the FTs. You cannot have a live ball contact Technical. I think if we call anything else we are just making up our own rules.

Peace

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is only an F2 foul in college (which the level of the game that took place) or a Flagrant Foul in HS. It matters where we put the ball or who shoots the FTs. You cannot have a live ball contact Technical. I think if we call anything else we are just making up our own rules.

Peace

The ball is close enough to being dead that I'd hardly have an issue with an F2 technical foul. Yes I think F2 personal is the correct ruling, but F2 technical would hardly be an egregious error.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SC Official

The ball is close enough to being dead that I'd hardly have an issue with an F2 technical foul. Yes I think F2 personal is the correct ruling, but F2 technical would hardly be an egregious error.

Close?? The only way I am calling that is if I have a monitor. While the game is going on I would call this or consider this a live play or action.

Peace