Nine second rim hang = no call

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

It has already been posted that the L2Ms can be contradictory/inconsistent. And there are L2Ms that suggest a T should have been called and was not.

L2M's always explain the rationale behind the decision and there is only one L2M report for that play, so I don't know what you're basing your comment on.




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[bucky]

Originally Posted by Raymond

L2M's always explain the rationale behind the decision and there is only one L2M report for that play, so I don't know what you're basing your comment on.

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Sorry, I can't force you to read/understand. The inconsistencies in L2Ms have already been demonstrated/shown. Given that, your question about ignoring them would be illogical.

Now, respond to this with some weird comment so you can have the last word and the topic can resolve itself from its momentum.


(the last 5 words are for you Seinfeld fans)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bucky

Sorry, I can't force you to read/understand. The inconsistencies in L2Ms have already been demonstrated/shown. Given that, your question about ignoring them would be illogical.

Now, respond to this with some weird comment so you can have the last word and the topic can resolve itself from its momentum.


(the last 5 words are for you Seinfeld fans)

Feel free to show me the conflicting L2M reports that address this play. It would be pretty stupid for the NBA to publish multiple L2M reports for the same game.

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[BillyMac]

"After the made dunk shot, James (LAL) remains on the rim after the timeout is called and players have cleared the area under the rim. The ball is dead and he is not taunting opponents or delaying the game."

Because I'm not familiar with the interpretation of NBA rules, I concede that the references to the timeout being called, the players clearing the area under the rim, the not taunting opponents, and the not delaying the game, may all be valid NBA interpretations for not charging a technical foul.

That being said, I'm having problems wrapping my head around the dead ball reference. I agree that the ball is dead. But do not all ring grasps following a successful dunk, illegally prolonged, or otherwise legal, occur during the dead ball period immediately following a successful goal? I understand how the ring grasp can occur during a live ball due to an unsuccessful dunk (ball clangs off of the ring), but how can one not have a dead ball immediately after every successful dunk?

Why did the L2M Report interpretation include that the ball was dead? What's the importance of that statement? Conceding that everything else in the Report my be a valid NBA interpretation, I'm having trouble understanding the logic (not the necessarily the interpretation) of the dead ball statement. I agree that the ball is indeed dead, but why is the dead ball comment pertinent to the no technical foul interpretation?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why did the L2M Report interpretation include that the ball was dead? What's the importance of that statement? Conceding that everything else in the Report my be a valid NBA interpretation, I'm having trouble understanding the logic (not the necessarily the interpretation) of the dead ball statement. I agree that the ball is indeed dead, but why is the dead ball comment pertinent to the no technical foul interpretation?

Originally Posted by Raymond

Now find the rule that states an NBA player can't hang on the rim during a dead ball

Maybe that's my answer (above)? But wouldn't that mean that an NBA player is allowed to hang on them ring for a prolonged period of time after every single successful dunk, since every single successful dunk is immediately followed by a dead ball period? Maybe that's the NBA rule? Maybe NBA players are only charged with technical fouls for hanging on the ring for a prolonged period of time during live ball situations, like an unsuccessful dunk attempt?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe that's my answer (above)? But wouldn't that mean that an NBA player is allowed to hang on them ring for a prolonged period of time after every single successful dunk, since every single successful dunk is immediately followed by a dead ball period? Maybe that's the NBA rule? Maybe NBA players are only charged with technical fouls for hanging on the ring for a prolonged period of time during live ball situations, like an unsuccessful dunk attempt?

Or after the ball becomes live again which it never did in this situation

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Or after the ball becomes live again which it never did in this situation

Because of the immediate timeout. Good point. So maybe the rule reads that an NBA player can hang on the ring for a prolonged period of time as long as the ball doesn't become live again during the prolonged hang? Maybe had a timeout not been taken, and if the ball had been at the disposal of the other team, thus live ball, it would have been a technical foul? So an NBA player can never be charged with excessively hanging on the ring as long as the ball is dead, and remains dead during the "hang time", and as long as there isn't taunting, or a delay of game?

If that's the rule, then the L2M Report seems logical.

[Altor]

Having never read the NBA rulebook in my life, but reading what ilyazhito has been saying about seemingly back-to-back sections of Rule 12-IV. This interpretation should be consistent with those rules. Unless there is another section about a player that is neither offensive nor defensive hanging on the rim, it would be logical that those two sections could only be applied during a live ball.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So an NBA player can never be charged with excessively hanging on the ring as long as the ball is dead, and remains dead during the "hang time", and as long as there isn't taunting, or a delay of game?

If that's the rule, then the L2M Report seems logical.

Billy, please do not fall into the same trap as others. Always try to read all posts/information provided. (unless you are goading). Conflicting/inconsistent L2Ms have already been provided that answer your question. Regarding the same play(and player), the NBA indicates a T should have been called and in another it does not. That is one point of the entire thread. Where else will we ever see someone hang on the rim for 9 seconds (I liked how LBJ even looked around at one point) and T not be called? I am curious as to the what the longest rim hang has ever been during a play in a game. I have seen some good hang times with players tangled up or on the floor under the rim, but never something like 9 seconds.