Last to touch/first to touch

[OKREF]

In a staff meeting for a camp, and was just told this is no longer a violation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

In a staff meeting for a camp, and was just told this is no longer a violation.

No longer a violation when deflected by the defense right?

So basically you are saying they adopted the NCAA Men's rule right?

Peace

[OKREF]

Yes, when deflected by defense, anyone can retrieve the ball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes, when deflected by defense, anyone can retrieve the ball.

Well that would be the NCAA Rule.

Now if you do not mind us asking. Who told you that or why are they so confident that is the rule? I think it is obvious, but I just want to know why you are convinced that is the actual interpretation since many here seemed to be convinced this was about just an interpretation?

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well that would be the NCAA Rule.

Now if you do not mind us asking. Who told you that or why are they so confident that is the rule? I think it is obvious, but I just want to know why you are convinced that is the actual interpretation since many here seemed to be convinced this was about just an interpretation?

Peace

Camp director of our state association.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes, when deflected by defense, anyone can retrieve the ball.

When deflected by a frontcourt defensive player directly into the backcourt? Or when deflected by a frontcourt defensive player that then hits a frontcourt offensive player in the leg and then goes directly into the backcourt?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When deflected by a frontcourt defensive player directly into the backcourt? Or when deflected by a frontcourt defensive player that then hits a frontcourt offensive player in the leg and then goes directly into the backcourt?

Who would have put it in the backcourt in your situation?

Peace

[Freddy]

The NCAA-M rule isn't the NFHS rule . . . . . . . . . thus far.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When deflected by a frontcourt defensive player directly into the backcourt? Or when deflected by a frontcourt defensive player that then hits a frontcourt offensive player in the leg and then goes directly into the backcourt?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Who would have put it in the backcourt in your situation?

With the new NFHS rule announced, and only what we've seen so far, in the first situation, if an offensive player touches the ball in the backcourt, no violation. In the second situation, if an offensive player touches the ball in the backcourt, violation.

If the NFHS rules turns out to be the same as the NCAA rule, then I believe that it's a different story, and I'll leave it up to the college guys to answer.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When deflected by a frontcourt defensive player directly into the backcourt? Or when deflected by a frontcourt defensive player that then hits a frontcourt offensive player in the leg and then goes directly into the backcourt?

We were just told, that if the defensive player deflects the ball and it goes into the back court anyone can retrieve it. I asked specifically about last to touch/first to touch and was told it was no longer a violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

We were just told, that if the defensive player deflects the ball and it goes into the back court anyone can retrieve it. I asked specifically about last to touch/first to touch and was told it was no longer a violation.

Key phrase, "defensive player". Does that mean that the defensive player was the last to touch the ball before the ball headed toward the backcourt?

Now go back and ask what happens if a defensive player, while in the frontcourt, deflects a ball that remains in the frontcourt and that loose ball then hits an offensive player, without gaining control, who now sends the loose ball, while still in team control, but not in player control, into the backcourt. Can anyone pick it up without a violation?

I'm more interested in the word, "offense", or lack of, as in even if the offense was the last to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt. That's the key as to whether, or not, the NFHS has fully switched to the NCAA rule.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

... if the defensive player deflects the ball and it goes into the back court anyone can retrieve it.

Ignoring the odd interpretation, if that's all the information we have (above), that's always been true, for at least the past four decades.

"Nothing to see here, move along folks".

Hopefully, the NFHS will clarify this soon. I now find myself leaning a little bit more toward JRutledge's interpretation of a full switch to the NCAA rule. Just leaning, and just a little bit more.

And I'm now taking all my bets off the table, I just want to be a spectator.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

We were just told, that if the defensive player deflects the ball and it goes into the back court anyone can retrieve it. I asked specifically about last to touch/first to touch and was told it was no longer a violation.

I received similar info today as well.

If that is truly the case, they couldn't have done a worse job of updating the rule to reflect. that.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

In a staff meeting for a camp, and was just told this is no longer a violation.

There has been no guidance from the NFHS that says such, so that would be hearsay unless that person is on the NFHS rules committee.