Change Out Of Bounds Call ...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS Rule 2 Section 6 Officials’ Authority: No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

This NFHS rule (above) says that we can't overrule our partner.

This IAABO mechanic (below) says the we can offer help on (but not overrule) violations:

IAABO Mechanic Violations: Officials may seek help or offer help to ensure accurate rulings.

When did the discussion change to overruling a partner? You give your partner information.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

When did the discussion change to overruling a partner?

It didn't, but this rule citation was the only one I could find that had anything to do with changing calls.

As IAABO officials, we are told never to overrule our partner, as the NFHS rule tells us, but that mechanics allow us to offer help when needed.

BillyMac: "Blue ball" (After ball goes out of bounds, and whistle is sounded).
Partner: (Sounds whistle and takes several steps toward BillyMac) "Did you see that the ball touched Blue 22's finger right before it went out of bounds? I got a great look at it, and you may have been straightlined."
BillyMac: "Thanks for the help. (Sounds whistle) White ball."
Partner: "By the way BillyMac, you're calling a great game tonight and, if I might add, you're looking exceedingly handsome tonight".

From my pregame: For out-of-bounds help, let's get it right. If I have no idea and I look to you for help, just give a directional
signal. No need to come to me, just point. If you don't know, give me a jump ball signal. If I signal, but
I get it wrong, then blow the whistle, and come to me. Tell me what you saw, and let me decide if I’m
going to change it.

[JRutledge]

As I said before, the NF Mechanics does not get specific about many things that can happen or based on what actually do in the real world. This is one of many examples. There are things that have multiple real-world things we might do that never is mentioned on any level in the NF Mechanics book. Even in the CCA Manual, there are things you never hear talked about in detail that you would hear at a camp. Mechanics books are guides of mostly where to stand and what to do like on a switch after a foul. I do not know why people are surprised when the NF book never covers things we might even talk about on this site or what is discussed in a meeting.

Peace

[just another ref]

I believe the appropriate quote for this situation goes something like:

"Sometimes, you gotta just referee."

[bucky]

Yes, just use the catch-all rule: Rule 2 section 3.

[CJP]

The 2013-2015 Officials Manual says that these types of "Help" situations should be discussed thoroughly during the crew's pregame conference.

P45 2.5.4 B. Crew Communication During the Contest.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CJP

The 2013-2015 Officials Manual says that these types of "Help" situations should be discussed thoroughly during the crew's pregame conference.

P45 2.5.4 B. Crew Communication During the Contest.

And that still does not give a definitive answer to what exactly you do or what "help" means, which again is something you will have to do based on your area, level or training.

Peace