Just when you think...

[NCAAREF]

Just when you think you know all the answers (we never really do, do we?)someone poses a question that makes you think.
NCAA Rules
Thrower in A-1 breaks the plane of the boundary line by extending the ball over the playing court. B-1 grabs the ball out of A-1's hands and begins to dribble down the court. What do we have?

[Damian]

Then settle down the coach

[Indy_Ref]

We have a good, legal steal & a fastbreak the other way! Don't have my rule book with me for the reference, but as soon as the ball crossed the plain, it became fair game.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Indy_Ref
but as soon as the ball crossed the plain, it became fair game.

When the game crossed the plain, it became fair game. (Chorus: On the plain, on the plain!) In Spain, in the rane.
(Chorus: In Spain, in Spain!)

[ChuckElias]

Juulie, I suppose you've become accustomed to that coach's face. . .

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Juulie, I suppose you've become accustomed to that coach's face. . .

Good one Chuck!!

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally posted by NCAAREF
Just when you think you know all the answers (we never really do, do we?)someone poses a question that makes you think.
NCAA Rules
Thrower in A-1 breaks the plane of the boundary line by extending the ball over the playing court. B-1 grabs the ball out of A-1's hands and begins to dribble down the court. What do we have?

Ah, my second greatest bball accomplishment due directly to my frequenting this board. I was B1 in a summer league game two summers ago, and scored an uncontested layup while A1 argued with the official. He was holding the ball out with one hand well over the line as if preparing to do a short flip to a teammate.

[nine01c]

In this same throw-in situation, if B1 holds the ball that is over the plane while A1 (out of bounds) is still holding also, is it a jump ball (possession arrow), or a violation on A1 for being out of bounds?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by rainmaker
In Spain, in the rane.

Juulie - how the heck can you live here in Oregon and not know how to spell "rain"?

[RefSouthAlb]

Mmmmmmmm!

So when the ball crossed the boundary line it became fair game.

Question then

If he then pulls it back can the inbounds player then reach across the boundary line to grab it since it has become fair game?????

Stupid question , but I know I will get a bunch of smart (a**) answers.

Thanks

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by RefSouthAlb
Mmmmmmmm!

So when the ball crossed the boundary line it became fair game.

Question then

If he then pulls it back can the inbounds player then reach across the boundary line to grab it since it has become fair game?????

Stupid question , but I know I will get a bunch of smart (a**) answers.

That's not a stupid question:it's a good one.

The rule above no longer applies because the ball is no longer in bounds. Now the rules regarding touching a ball OOB on a throw in will apply. All you have to know is what side of the line the ball is on when the defender touches or grabs it. That will determine your call. There has been no violation by the player throwing the ball in because he simply hasn't started the throw in yet; he's still holding it.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 10th, 2003 at 06:36 PM]

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by RefSouthAlb
Mmmmmmmm!

So when the ball crossed the boundary line it became fair game.

Question then

If he then pulls it back can the inbounds player then reach across the boundary line to grab it since it has become fair game?????

Stupid question , but I know I will get a bunch of smart (a**) answers.

Thanks

It goes back to the rule that reads something like:

A defender may not reach through the throw-in plane until the ball is released on a throwin.

So, if the ball is behind the line and the defender reaches through the line...it is, at a minimum, a violation and possibly a T, if the ball is touched.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
The rule above no longer applies because the ball is no longer in bounds.

Technically, the ball never was inbounds. The ball was on the inbound side of the OOB plane, but the ball still had OOB status, b/c it was in contact with a player who was touching OOB.

I know that JR knows that, and I also know it's not that big a deal. I just thought I'd point it out.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Technically, the ball never was inbounds. The ball was on the inbound side of the OOB plane, but the ball still had OOB status, b/c it was in contact with a player who was touching OOB.

I know that JR knows that, and I also know it's not that big a deal. I just thought I'd point it out.

What?

Technically,the ball has to have come in bounds,or it never would be legal for the defender to grab it or slap it.In this sitch,you've got a live ball in bounds.That's why it's legal to grab or touch it. NFHS casebook play 10.3.12SitB uses that language.Once the ball goes back OOB,you now have a live ball OOB,and a different rule covers the touching or grabbing of the ball by a defender-ie NFHS rule 9-2-11PENALTY3.It now is an immediate T under NFHS rules,no warning. NCAA rules are the same,I think,but I'm going back to the ballgame.If anybody wants NCAA references,I'll look 'em up later.

PS-I know that it ain't that big a deal. As long as the right call is made,who cares what nomenclature is used.

[nine01c]

Nobody answered my question (above).
Oh yeah, back to baseball game. Top of the 11th.