Lead heading up court- your style?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I still work with the occasional veteran who ... mirrors the attempt signal.

We have rookies, and other inexperienced officials, doing this, not veterans. These young'uns seem to confuse the three point attempt signal with the successful three point goal signal. Sometimes they just want to incorrectly mirror everything.

Two person game. The three point attempt signal (three fingers) is only used in one's primary coverage area. Period.

If the successful three point goal comes from the trail's primary, only the trail gives the successful three point goal (touchdown) signal. Period.

If the successful three point goal comes from the lead's primary, both the lead, and the trail, give the successful three point goal signal.

It seems difficult for rookies, and other inexperienced officials, to understand this signal progression.

Here in Connecticut we have an additional "Connecticut only" signal. In our primary coverage area, we point to floor for a two point field goal attempt when the shooter has a foot touching the three point line.

We also used to have a not closely guarded "Connecticut only" signal (arms spread wide apart), but IAABO International made us give it up, saying the correct signal was just not counting.

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We have rookies, and other inexperienced officials, doing this, not veterans. These young'uns seem to confuse the three point attempt signal with the successful three point goal signal. Sometimes they just want to incorrectly mirror everything.

Two person game. The three point attempt signal (three fingers) is only used in one's primary coverage area. Period.

If the successful three point goal comes from the trail's primary, only the trail gives the successful three point goal (touchdown) signal. Period.

If the successful three point goal comes from the lead's primary, both the lead, and the trail, give the successful three point goal signal.

It seems difficult for rookies, and other inexperienced officials, to understand this signal progression.

Here in Connecticut we have an additional "Connecticut only" signal. In our primary coverage area, we point to floor for a two point field goal attempt when the shooter has a foot touching the three point line.

We also used to have a not closely guarded "Connecticut only" signal (arms spread wide apart), but IAABO International made us give it up, saying the correct signal was just not counting.

I thought that in 2 man mechanics the lead never signaled a successful 3-point shot (just marked), but I browsed through the manual and couldn't find a definitive answer.

In the book on pg. 200 the not closely guarded signal is shown (IAABO).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

I thought that in 2 man mechanics the lead never signaled a successful 3-point shot (just marked), but I browsed through the manual and couldn't find a definitive answer.

Incorrect. If you mark it, you finish it. The trail only mirrors the successful signal. If the lead doesn't give the signal for the make, what would there be to mirror? Until the ball goes in, I've got other stuff to be looking at.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

In the book on pg. 200 the not closely guarded signal is shown (IAABO).

Interesting. It wasn't in last year's mechanics manual but it's there this year. Maybe it's one of those unannounced changes that often occur. I'll check with our State interpreter. Thanks for the information.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We also used to have a not closely guarded "Connecticut only" signal (arms spread wide apart), but IAABO International made us give it up, saying the correct signal was just not counting.

Originally Posted by sdoebler

In the book on pg. 200 the not closely guarded signal is shown (IAABO).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Interesting. It wasn't in last year's mechanics manual but it's there this year. Maybe it's one of those unannounced changes that often occur. I'll check with our State interpreter. Thanks for the information.

When Peter Webb was IAABO national Coordinator of Interpreters, he did not believe IAABO should use the "no closely guarded" signal, so it was not in the IAABO manual, even though the NFHS had adopted that signal. IAABO interpreters were told by Peter Webb to tell members not to use it.

However, the new four IAABO co-interpreters decided IAABO would use this signal and put it in this year's handbook. However, it was not discussed at the IAABO national interpreters meeting, so most state, and local, interpreters didn't include it in their new rules review meetings.

We will be using this "not closely guarded" signal in Connecticut next year.

[sj]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

I thought that in 2 man mechanics the lead never signaled a successful 3-point shot (just marked), but I browsed through the manual and couldn't find a definitive answer.

In the NF book it's on page 46. 4.3.4 - B.3,4,5,6

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by sj

In the NF book it's on page 46. 4.3.4 - B.3,4,5,6

Thanks I trust everyone. I'm guessing that I was reading the mechanics section at some point and it said the lead never signals a successful 3-point try not realizing it was only referring to 3-man. Fortunately I only work about five 2-man games per year.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Here in Connecticut we have an additional "Connecticut only" signal. In our primary coverage area, we point to floor for a two point field goal attempt when the shooter has a foot touching the three point line.

We also used to have a not closely guarded "Connecticut only" signal (arms spread wide apart), but IAABO International made us give it up, saying the correct signal was just not counting.

I do #1 even though it’s technically not “approved” because it saves me from having to deal with the “was that a 3?” dumb question from the table. If we’re not signaling touchdown then obviously it’s not a 3, but most tables in my experience can’t grasp that concept.

I never use the “not closely guarded” signal. If I’m not counting, then obviously they are not closely guarded in my judgment. Difference from the other signal is that the table is not involved.