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A Pennsylvania Coach Fri Oct 10, 2003 02:23pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by garote
All right I'm having a brain cramp. A1 is falling out of bounds..can he/she call time out.
A1 can request a time out.

A1 can CALL a time-out.

There is no definition in Rule 4 for "call", "request", or "grant". So we'll have to use the dictionary definitions. The interesting one is definition 1b for the word "call" at http://www.m-w.com: to make a request or demand

Rule 2-7-6 says that the officials' general duties include "Granting time-out." The word "grants" is also used in 5-8-3. 5-8-3 is "Grants a player's/head coach's oral or visual request for a time-out..."

So I'd say that a player or head coach "calling" time-out is, by definition, a "request", and the officials' duties are to "grant" that time-out CALLED by the player or head coach.

mick Fri Oct 10, 2003 02:27pm

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Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
...So I'd say that a player or head coach "calling" time-out is, by definition, a "request", and the <u>officials' duties are to "grant" that time-out</u> CALLED by the player or head coach.

:rolleyes:

Jurassic Referee Fri Oct 10, 2003 02:39pm

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Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
[/B]
There is no definition in Rule 4 for "call", "request", or "grant". So we'll have to use the dictionary definitions. The interesting one is definition 1b for the word "call" at http://www.m-w.com: to make a request or demand

Rule 2-7-6 says that the officials' general duties include "Granting time-out." The word "grants" is also used in 5-8-3. 5-8-3 is "Grants a player's/head coach's oral or visual request for a time-out..."

So I'd say that a player or head coach "calling" time-out is, by definition, a "request", and the officials' duties are to "grant" that time-out CALLED by the player or head coach.
[/B][/QUOTE]Right,Coach,we either grant,or do not grant,your request. It's that simple. The semantics don't really matter as long as everyone knows that it is not an automatic process if you try to "call" a TO.

ChuckElias Fri Oct 10, 2003 03:11pm

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Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
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Originally posted by rainmaker
A1 can request a time out.
A1 can CALL a time-out.

There is no definition in Rule 4 for "call", "request", or "grant". So we'll have to use the dictionary definitions. The interesting one is definition 1b for the word "call" at http://www.m-w.com: to make a request or demand

Interestingly, Coach, the full entry for definition 1b is:
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to make a request or demand <call for an investigation>
Notice that the person isn't calling an investigation. He is calling for an investigation. So analogously, the coach may certainly call for a time-out. But he can't call it. I'm happy to say that I made this very point less than a week ago. http://www.officialforum.com/showthr...8&pagenumber=5

Jurassic Referee Fri Oct 10, 2003 03:36pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Interestingly, Coach, the full entry for definition 1b is:
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to make a request or demand <call for an investigation>
Notice that the person isn't calling an investigation.
[/B][/QUOTE]If it was one of your calls,the coach shoulda had the right to call for an investigation!

ChuckElias Fri Oct 10, 2003 03:40pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
If it was one of your calls,the coach shoulda had the right to call for an investigation!
Just when I think you're beginning to like me. . .

ChuckElias Fri Oct 10, 2003 03:42pm

Coach, one last thing. If you honestly believe that the coach can call a time-out, then when he or she says, "Hey, that's a foul!!", do you also believe that the coach is calling a foul? Nuh-uh.

Jurassic Referee Fri Oct 10, 2003 04:06pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
If it was one of your calls,the coach shoulda had the right to call for an investigation!
Just when I think you're beginning to like me. . .

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