"And one!!!"

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by SC Official

This only bothers me if he's staring down the opponent while he does it (taunting) or clearly directs it at me.

A lot of times players just say it in a celebratory way even when they know there was no foul (and ooooooooonnnnnnnneeeeee!!!).

Agree, a lot has to do with tone.

I've told told kids to quit with the "and 1" - they usually figure it out pretty quickly.

[nolanjj68]

I gave a bench warning for this last week and was about to T a player up after a made basket but his coach immediately chastised the kid and got him under control so I let it go. It was not a problem the rest of the game.

[sdoebler]

Our state (I think it was local and not national) issued a memo to coaches and players stating that talking to officials about the foul count was not appropriate conversation and would warrant a warning or technical if continued.

I could see something going out stating that shouting "And One" or "Ball don't lie" could follow a line of warning and/or technical but you never know what they will choose to focus on.

[UNIgiantslayers]

I've never heard "ball don't lie." What does that mean?

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

I've never heard "ball don't lie." What does that mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH0-QR9IzM4

Players/coaches/fanboys yell it mostly when a free throw is missed following a foul call that they felt was wrong.

[Hawkeyes]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

I've never heard "ball don't lie." What does that mean?

See SC Official #13.

This has been around for at least 30 plus years in playground games and with all the microphones and cameras at games now, we can now clearly hear NBA players saying it. And of course, whatever we see and hear at the NBA level, we'll see and hear from kids that don't play on playgrounds and will never play in the NBA.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

Our state (I think it was local and not national) issued a memo to coaches and players stating that talking to officials about the foul count was not appropriate conversation and would warrant a warning or technical if continued.

I could see something going out stating that shouting "And One" or "Ball don't lie" could follow a line of warning and/or technical but you never know what they will choose to focus on.

This is why I hate absolutes.

When a coach and I are just having a conversation that only the two of us can hear, he's not going to get a warning or a T from me for mentioning the foul count. I might redirect the conversation or walk away depending on how receptive he is, but if you warn or whack coaches every time in that instance, you probably won't be around long.

Coach is screaming "IT'S 7 TO 1!!!" across the court...different story, but even I'd be inclined to try and get him back to coaching before giving a warning, especially if that's his first issue of the night.

[sdoebler]

Originally Posted by SC Official

This is why I hate absolutes.

When a coach and I are just having a conversation that only the two of us can hear, he's not going to get a warning or a T from me for mentioning the foul count. I might redirect the conversation or walk away depending on how receptive he is, but if you warn or whack coaches every time in that instance, you probably won't be around long.

Coach is screaming "IT'S 7 TO 1!!!" across the court...different story, but even I'd be inclined to try and get him back to coaching before giving a warning, especially if that's his first issue of the night.

I wouldn't say that it is an absolute, I guess I should have said could warrant. However, this does give you easy justification to any assignor.

Why did you T him?
He was complaining about the lopsided foul count.
Ok thanks

Not that you need any justification but I feel like it gives some consistency.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

I wouldn't say that it is an absolute, I guess I should have said could warrant. However, this does give you easy justification to any assignor.

Why did you T him?
He was complaining about the lopsided foul count.
Ok thanks

Not that you need any justification but I feel like it gives some consistency.

Assigners I know don't care if the coach calls you a motherf*cker if the one he's saying it to is the only other person in the gym who can hear it.

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Assigners I know don't care if the coach calls you a motherf*cker if the one he's saying it to is the only other person in the gym who can hear it.

My assigners might not care, but I surely would.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Assigners I know don't care if the coach calls you a motherf*cker if the one he's saying it to is the only other person in the gym who can hear it.

NSFW

Is this your assignor?