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Old Tue Jan 02, 2018, 07:12am
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In regards to OP if team knocks ball away and causes a delay that is what I am calling. First time warning. Ensuing times respond accordingly.

This is not as complicated a decision in Feeble as clock is stopping on every made basket in last 2 min.
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Old Tue Jan 02, 2018, 08:13am
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In regards to OP if team knocks ball away and causes a delay that is what I am calling. First time warning. Ensuing times respond accordingly.

This is not as complicated a decision in Feeble as clock is stopping on every made basket in last 2 min.
Instead of a shot clock, my preference for a timing change in NFHS would be to stop the clock in the last minute after a made basket.
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Old Tue Jan 02, 2018, 04:40pm
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Lightly tapping versus punting are 2 different acts. The distance travelled is not what is penalized.
All acts are different resulting in all distances being different. Distance appears to be main factor when adjudicating this type of case.
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Old Tue Jan 02, 2018, 05:54pm
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All acts are different resulting in all distances being different. Distance appears to be main factor when adjudicating this type of case.
So a player smacks a ball and it goes 15 feet away, versus a player smacks a ball in the same manner and force and it goes 3 feet you would adjudicate differently? does it matter that in one scenario a fan comes and help, or a player hustles more? Or is the manner in HOW the ball is struck doesn't matter, its' distance?.
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Old Tue Jan 02, 2018, 09:44pm
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By the rulebook. Whistle, stop clock. Delay warning for interfering with the ball after a made goal (technical foul if already warned for delay) written in scorebook. Team B gets a run the endline throwin.

You can't get into trouble if you go by the book.

10.1.5 SITUATION D: Immediately following a goal by A1, A3 slaps the ball
away so that Team B is unable to make a quick throw-in. RULING: The official
shall sound his/her whistle and go to the table to have the scorer record a team warning for delay. The warning shall then be reported to the head coach of Team A. Any subsequent delay by Team A shall result in a team technical foul charged to Team A. (4-47-3)
You mention "By the rule book." You mention "Whistle, stop clock." You also indicated "You can't get into trouble if you go by the book." Now, I understand what you are saying/describing but I noticed something. Again, not trying to argue or point fingers with you BM. I just happen to notice an issue with wording that kinda relates to circular reasoning with the disposal/count thread. Where in the rule book is blowing the whistle required? Also, the case provided directly indicated to blow the whistle and made no mention of stopping the clock. Perhaps Rule 5-8 Art 2 c,d apply to this case but there is no mention of blowing the whistle. If we stuck to the actual case reading, we would not stop the clock.

I'm thinking the case play really needs to read that the official "..shall stop the clock..."

Another circular item perhaps? lol.
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Old Wed Jan 03, 2018, 12:47pm
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You mention "By the rule book." You mention "Whistle, stop clock." You also indicated "You can't get into trouble if you go by the book." Now, I understand what you are saying/describing but I noticed something. Again, not trying to argue or point fingers with you BM. I just happen to notice an issue with wording that kinda relates to circular reasoning with the disposal/count thread. Where in the rule book is blowing the whistle required? Also, the case provided directly indicated to blow the whistle and made no mention of stopping the clock. Perhaps Rule 5-8 Art 2 c,d apply to this case but there is no mention of blowing the whistle. If we stuck to the actual case reading, we would not stop the clock.

I'm thinking the case play really needs to read that the official "..shall stop the clock..."

Another circular item perhaps? lol.
If all that has to be spelled out we are in trouble.
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If all that has to be spelled out we are in trouble.
Life's a whole lot easier if you just referee the damned game, isn't it?
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Life's a whole lot easier if you just referee the damned game, isn't it?
It is. Too much thinking hurts.
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If all that has to be spelled out we are in trouble.
Yes, agree, but there are some that rely strongly on black and white wording.
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Team A scores to pull within 2 points of Team B with 13 seconds left and the clock running. After the score A-1 knocks the ball away and it rolls about 15 ft to a back wall of the gym.
This exact situation (with the addition that Team A was out of timeouts, and it was eleven seconds) was discussed at our monthly meeting this morning. Our local IAABO board interpreter was of the opinion that 10-2-4, a team unsporting technical foul, would be appropriate here, whereas a team delay of game technical foul would not be appropriate because it requires a previous warning.

It's IAABO (though based on NFHS rules, and interpretations), it's local, but it's worth some thought.
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This exact situation (with the addition that Team A was out of timeouts, and it was eleven seconds) was discussed at our monthly meeting this morning. Our local IAABO board interpreter was of the opinion that 10-2-4, a team unsporting technical foul, would be appropriate here, whereas a team delay of game technical foul would not be appropriate because it requires a previous warning.

It's IAABO (though based on NFHS rules, and interpretations), it's local, but it's worth some thought.
Hmm, imagine calling T in this situation, where have we read that before?
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Old Sun Jan 07, 2018, 07:41pm
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Hmm, imagine calling T in this situation, where have we read that before?
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I would have charged A1 with a TF for Delay of Game and issued a Scorebook Warning to Team A for a Delay of Game.
In don't recall anybody suggesting to charge a technical foul for an unsporting act, at least one Forum member suggested charging a technical foul for a delay of game.
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In don't recall anybody suggesting to charge a technical foul for an unsporting act, at least me Forum member suggested charging a technical foul for a delay of game.
No I clearly said I would call a T and it wouldn't be for delay of game.

Go back and reread the thread and you'll see I even gave a rules reference for the T I would call.

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No I clearly said I would call a T and it wouldn't be for delay of game. Go back and reread the thread and you'll see I even gave a rules reference for the T I would call.
Here's what my interpreter would hang his hat on: 10-2-4 Team Technical: Shall not commit an unsporting foul.

Note: I was referring to the most recent thread, not the older one.
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Old Mon Jan 08, 2018, 11:24am
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Here's what my interpreter would hang his hat on: 10-2-4 Team Technical: Shall not commit an unsporting foul.

Note: I was referring to the most recent thread, not the older one.
10-4-5a is sufficient for issuing a Player Technical.
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